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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black bespoke radio

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for the masses

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today's

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2022 39 days into the new year only 326

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near this is fade to

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black for kjcr the game changer network

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and the an x network i am your host

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jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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yeah i'm feeling a little more refreshed

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the conscious life expo of of course is

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it is it's a lot of fun and you're

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if you were there and you were watching

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eight o'clock in the morning and we wrap

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i i'm toast you know that's uh 12 14

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to buy food so there you go all right

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joining us for the first time

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here to discuss her new book

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the alien colonization of earth's

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waterways that's right tonight

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ufos usos underwater ufos what's going

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on where are they who are they all of

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um last week by chris mellon

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is the united states air force a wall

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discussing uh tomorrow night with mike

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hanks very big show huge if you haven't

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read the article the article is

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black thursday is going to be another

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fader night with open lines all night

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dude him and michelle took pictures all

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weekend long see none

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get to it brad uh shoot me uh a download

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b

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i didn't name it the sandbox

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that's the fader knots i didn't name the

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rest of the fader knots

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chat rooms are open

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chat room is open over in spreaker i'm

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let's see from here there's catalina

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i can't see it i have i have no vision

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how are you guys doing

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is probably at this point completely out

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of control

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let's uh get to the breaking news

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yeah you like it when i start that off

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nasa

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that it has selected lockheed martin to

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known as the mav or the mav

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a small rocket that will launch pristine

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red planet samples back towards earth

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a decade or so from now from today from

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the now now

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along with perseverance

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two additional missions are scheduled

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the nasa-led sample retrieval lander the

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which will both launch by 2025.

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the srl will deliver an esa fetch rover

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that's fetch rover and the mav to the

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martian surface the fetch rover will

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carry the collected samples from

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cached them right drop them

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which will then launch them into orbit

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around mars and then a container holding

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the samples will then meet up with the

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which will haul it all back to earth

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hopefully and perhaps as early

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how crazy is that yes and back to

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perseverance by the way and it's choppa

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that dust storm that i talked about on

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mars couldn't keep ingenuity grounded

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forever because

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the four pound helicopter aced a 100

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second flight earlier today its 19th red

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planet flight overall but its first

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since december 15th

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of last year

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all right

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here you go

298
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i remember talking about this when i i

299
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mean i feel like i broke this news well

300
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i got i got an update

301
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because

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the now

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retired nun

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and former catholic school principal who

305
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admitted to stealing more than 835

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000

307
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in school funds

308
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for gambling trips and personal expenses

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was sentenced yesterday to 12 months and

310
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a day

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in federal prison

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the u.s district judge otis d wright ii

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also ordered

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mary margaret kreiper

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80 years old

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to pay 825

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and 338 dollars in restitution

318
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in july of 2021 she pled guilty to one

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count of wire fraud and one count of

320
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money laundering the united states

321
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department of justice says that she was

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the principal of saint james catholic

323
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school in torrance california

324
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she was the principal there for nearly

325
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three decades

326
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and embezzled 835 339

327
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over a 10 year period

328
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that's right

329
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a nun

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named mother mary

331
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who had taken a vow of poverty

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stole the equivalent of the tuition of

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14 different students per year

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so she could party

335
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seriously

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mother mary

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well archaeologists have discovered the

338
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earliest evidence of ancient man in

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israel

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a one and a half million year old

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vertebrae

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found at the prehistoric site of

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yuba daya in the jordan valley

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the international team of researchers

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say that this adds growing ammunition to

346
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,880
the theory that human dispersal out of

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africa

348
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happened in successive waves rather than

349
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a single event but we already knew that

350
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according to a statement released by the

351
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university of southern california

352
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,760
researchers have discovered traces of an

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ancient structure while looking for

354
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underwater

355
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underground water in qatar

356
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with advanced radar satellite images the

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large

358
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rectangular spot and that is key

359
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which is only visible

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uh

361
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,720
with the satellite imaging that's it it

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is not visible

363
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from the ground

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was radiocarbon dated to 3600 years ago

365
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,280
with charcoal samples from the site now

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the researchers say

367
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the site may have been a fortress

368
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whose inhabitants check this

369
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,720
landscaped the area and practice

370
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,120
agriculture by accessing deep

371
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groundwater through fractures

372
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:07,840
on the surface

373
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that's crazy prehistoric man right

374
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,120
it had been previously thought that

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people who lived on the eastern arabian

376
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peninsula were entirely nomadic at this

377
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time

378
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,280
yeah apparently they weren't

379
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they needed to build a fortress and they

380
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were farming

381
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prehistoric man

382
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,039
telling you history's been rewritten

383
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,320
again let's get this show cracking happy

384
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:39,039
birthday to today vince neil

385
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is 60.

386
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lincoln park basis dave farrell

387
00:20:48,669 --> 00:20:46,559
is 45. our dead guy's birthday today is

388
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:48,679
james dean

389
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,760
1931-1955 died at the age of 24.

390
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james is remembered as a cultural icon

391
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:56,960
of teenage disillusionment

392
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,590
chain smoking

393
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:05,679
you know as in the title of his film

394
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,240
rebel without a cause his other two

395
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films were east of eden and giant

396
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,880
and it was at 5 45 p.m on september 30th

397
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,200
1955 when the car made a left-hand turn

398
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,640
onto highway 41 headed north towards

399
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,559
fresno ahead of

400
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,520
dean's oncoming porsche he slammed into

401
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,760
the passenger side of the car

402
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,760
he was pronounced dead on arrival

403
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,000
shortly after he arrived by ambulance at

404
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:35,600
the paso robles war memorial hospital

405
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,080
at 6 20 p.m he was just 24 years old

406
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,720
happy birthday james dean on the stay in

407
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:45,360
history 1587

408
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,799
after 19 years of imprisonment mary

409
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,559
queen of scots

410
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,880
is beheaded in england for her

411
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:54,960
complicity and a plot

412
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,320
to murder queen elizabeth the first

413
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:00,320
fader fact

414
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:04,799
in sweden it's a vader fact in sweden

415
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,480
they have trained wild crows

416
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,919
to trade

417
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,760
cigarette butts

418
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,840
for peanuts

419
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,080
helping to clean up

420
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,520
swedish

421
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,960
streets

422
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,640
i'm not making that up they smoke

423
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,240
everybody in sweden smokes and they

424
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,440
throw their cigarette butts in the

425
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,400
street

426
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,200
saying they're like enough is enough

427
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,919
let's get the crows in on the action and

428
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:31,520
the next thing you know no cigarette

429
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,960
butts and the crows are fat

430
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,320
from peanuts

431
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,720
and that is your favorite fight that's a

432
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,520
it's vetted gotta check out the videos

433
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,110
tonight very special guest debbie

434
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,720
zieglemyers here

435
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,080
joining us for the first time we're

436
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,600
going to be discussing her new book it's

437
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,559
called

438
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:54,960
the alien colonization

439
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,480
of earth's waterways that's right ufos

440
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,280
and usos all night tonight on fade to

441
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,919
block tomorrow night micah hanks is here

442
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,200
we're going to be talking about the new

443
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,520
article over at the debrief by chris

444
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,520
mellon that goes down tomorrow night

445
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:11,120
thursday of course is another fader

446
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,120
night with open lines all night long all

447
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,880
right thank you for that third stone and

448
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,919
you guys are fast i mean i barely i just

449
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,600
finished that

450
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,679
just finish that news

451
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,280
ken priest

452
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,039
camp priests i missed you ken this

453
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,120
weekend all of us did we did talk about

454
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,480
you though that's that's all that

455
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:32,559
matters now it's time for me to hit this

456
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:48,470
rivermoonwellness.com

457
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,630
oh man

458
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:54,950
fade to black blend

459
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,830
is new again

460
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,549
what goes around

461
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,310
now tro

462
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,600
is the new retro

463
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:15,039
you know the drill you know what i'm

464
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,710
so check this out

465
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,310
first

466
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,960
a little refresher on some stuff back in

467
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,919
1922

468
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,640
edwin hubble noticed some strange things

469
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,440
going on up there in the stars

470
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,200
and at that time

471
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,799
the science community had one basic fact

472
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,760
that

473
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:43,919
well um

474
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,320
you see they thought it was fact

475
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,840
and

476
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,840
that is

477
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,080
that the universe

478
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,240
was static

479
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,360
now what that means is this

480
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,840
nothing up in the heavens the stars and

481
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,000
galaxies

482
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,320
nothing moved

483
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,640
everything just stayed in place

484
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,830
one of the reasons uh this was

485
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,400
established as fact

486
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,440
is that we could see the planets move we

487
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,039
could see the planets move and the

488
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,760
background stayed still but the planets

489
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,159
okay simple enough we get that planets

490
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,960
are moving in orbit around the sun

491
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:30,640
but everything else

492
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,440
to everybody else that was

493
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,000
everything else was static

494
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,240
it wasn't moving

495
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,320
so along comes hubble

496
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,600
and even einstein at the time was was in

497
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:45,600
the static camp

498
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,400
but

499
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,640
he saw the evidence for himself when he

500
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,080
personally looked through hubble's

501
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
telescope up there on mount wilson

502
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,880
and einstein agreed

503
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,799
the universe

504
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,760
was expanding it was moving

505
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,960
now stay with me because the now tro

506
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,880
retro

507
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,679
that thing is coming up be patient

508
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,360
okay so

509
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,919
about 70 years go by

510
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,559
and in 1998 the first evidence for

511
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,360
acceleration of this expansion came from

512
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,600
the observation of redshift

513
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,000
from a supernova

514
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,640
we went from static

515
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:26,799
to moving

516
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,880
to seriously speeding up

517
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:32,960
and nothing is slowing down you see and

518
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,799
if we use the speed of the acceleration

519
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,440
and continue with those numbers and that

520
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,039
ratio well

521
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,320
there is stuff at the edge of the

522
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,600
observational universe that is

523
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:47,679
approaching the speed of light getting

524
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,950
know this because we can see it

525
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:56,960
observe it

526
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,840
and measure it

527
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,279
that is of course you know before it

528
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,960
disappears now

529
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:05,039
last night

530
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,190
while laying in bed

531
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,520
i thought about all of this

532
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,279
and this is where it gets kind of

533
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,600
twisted my mind goes places that it

534
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
shouldn't but i honestly believe that

535
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,880
what i'm about to say sharing my

536
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,320
thoughts with you

537
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,039
honestly believe right now that it has

538
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,200
to be based on scientific fact there is

539
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,279
no other way to look at it

540
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,960
you cannot look at it you know think

541
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,799
about it i'm in the dark

542
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:35,520
but

543
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,039
to expand and the space between

544
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,600
everything gets greater

545
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,200
eventually

546
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,320
it

547
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,080
will become static again and what i mean

548
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:52,799
by that is this

549
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,000
what will someone see in the night sky

550
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,679
behind other planets in the solar system

551
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,080
you know what will they when when

552
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,840
everything is expanded in the in the

553
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,720
deep future right in this expansion live

554
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,360
speed what will they observe and measure

555
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,440
with if there's nothing there if this

556
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,159
expansion is continuing and then there's

557
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,200
nothing there to measure with well

558
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,960
they're not going to see anything

559
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:22,080
nothing nothing will be there for them

560
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,880
to see their planets move against

561
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,880
it'll just be black

562
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,640
it'll be nothing

563
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:32,640
that's right

564
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,549
500 billion years in the future a

565
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,320
trillion years in the future and this

566
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,399
expansion continues at the speed of

567
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,720
light there will be nothing

568
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,679
there

569
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,159
the most advanced technical equipment to

570
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,640
measure things won't matter

571
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,320
because there's going to be nothing

572
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,640
there to observe

573
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,360
to the astronomers of the future

574
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,080
the universe will not be

575
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,840
a universe

576
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,240
it's going to be empty space

577
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,440
a void of nothing and their little solar

578
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:10,320
system is all there is

579
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,200
right

580
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,360
now

581
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,039
just floating right

582
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,480
at the speed of light too with the

583
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:20,399
expansion of space

584
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,919
away from everything else and away from

585
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,120
everything that might have been to them

586
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:30,320
there will never be a theory about

587
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,720
accelerating a theory about expanding

588
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,840
thoughts of a universe why because they

589
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,640
will have never seen

590
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,720
anything at all

591
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,200
they will have never observed

592
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,840
what came before

593
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,080
because all of it is vanished

594
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,159
at the speed of light

595
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,960
billions and billions of years

596
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,960
before

597
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,960
no matter how hard they try anything

598
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,679
physical any star planetary body a

599
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,480
galaxy will have been caught up in its

600
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,480
place of space and time

601
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,559
moving away faster than the speed of

602
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,760
light and disappear forever

603
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,760
any advanced civilization on these

604
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,000
planets anyone

605
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,480
will experience the same thing

606
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,320
the observation of nothing beyond their

607
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,320
place in space

608
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:27,120
the ability to wind back to the big bang

609
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,080
right

610
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,640
is impossible to them and even more

611
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,640
frightening if their civilization

612
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:34,880
develops after everything has slipped

613
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,080
over the edge on what is observable

614
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,760
they'll never know

615
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,679
there was a universe

616
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,919
in the first place

617
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,880
yes

618
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,240
they will be

619
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:48,000
seriously

620
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,360
static

621
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,440
that's right what goes around comes

622
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:52,640
around

623
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,240
remember before copernicus galileo

624
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,279
well their world will actually be the

625
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,120
center of everything

626
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,600
think about that jeff's like copernicus

627
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,559
thought just like galileo thought and in

628
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,720
a trillion years

629
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,480
think about it

630
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,799
they will be at the center of everything

631
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
for real

632
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,440
their now troll

633
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,279
will never know

634
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,320
about

635
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:22,080
retro

636
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,200
to them

637
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,120
we us

638
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,799
never existed

639
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:27,919
and yes

640
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,519
this is where my crazy mind goes

641
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,320
as they drift off to sleep

642
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,080
i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black tonight it's

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ufos usos

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underwater alien colonization of planet

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earth

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that's because debbie zieglemeyer is

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00:36:57,070 --> 00:36:39,910
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00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,640
all right welcome back fade to black i

746
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
am your host jimmy church tonight debbie

747
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,200
zieglemeyer is with us

748
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,480
ufos uso's underwater stuff all night

749
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:10,240
tonight tomorrow night micah hanks is

750
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,119
here

751
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,119
talking about that new article by chris

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00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,359
mellon over at the debris thursday night

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is fader night with open lines all night

754
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long

755
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,480
tonight it's all about debbie she joins

756
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,920
us for the first time we're going to be

757
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,599
discussing her new book

758
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,079
it is called the alien colonization of

759
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,000
earth's waterways

760
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,680
that's right tonight's a full night of

761
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,040
ufos and uso underwater related activity

762
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,520
the link for the book over on amazon

763
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,839
is uh down below in the links we have it

764
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,680
up in social media and of course it's

765
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,560
over on the website she joined mufon in

766
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,880
2000 became a field investigator shortly

767
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,680
after that she's currently a mufon star

768
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,320
team investigator the state director of

769
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,960
missouri a member of the mufon business

770
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,960
board of directors the functional

771
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:56,720
director of underwater research and

772
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:59,839
recovery she's a benefactor and an inner

773
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,520
circle member and a mufon archivist

774
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,359
she's also a member of the ted phillips

775
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
i can't even say it the cu typical

776
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:09,520
rickett team

777
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,349
i'm going to let her

778
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,560
break down that acronym and in 2004 she

779
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,119
organized the mufon dive team along with

780
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,880
tom ferracha

781
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,119
you know what deb i i don't know i'm i'm

782
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,520
tongue-tied i'm i'm nervous

783
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:28,880
i'm nervous

784
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,560
uh tom ferrario current tprc team leader

785
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,960
she has over 1200 completed ufo

786
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,440
investigations with over 860 of them

787
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,920
being mufon citing reports she also

788
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,079
teaches a mufon field investigator dive

789
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,000
team course which instructs

790
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,320
investigators both in the water and

791
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,040
onshore responsibilities and protocols

792
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,720
as the director of the underwater

793
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,240
research and recovery team for the

794
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:54,880
mutual ufo network a potty scuba

795
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,000
instructor and an experienced uap uso

796
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,560
investigator she has studied the uso

797
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,599
unidentified submerged objects phenomena

798
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,480
for decades she now brings all of that

799
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,280
to the public in this new book

800
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,560
and i would like to welcome for the

801
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,480
first time to fade to black debbie

802
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,160
zieglemar hopefully debbie you're not

803
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:16,400
going to be as tongue-tied tonight as i

804
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,200
am

805
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,800
uh good evening

806
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,160
good evening thank you for having me on

807
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,480
i appreciate it i'm honored thank you no

808
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,400
it's uh the honor and the pleasure is

809
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,520
all mine but before we get started uh

810
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,440
and we will get back to ted phillips i'm

811
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,200
not going to let that uh get away from

812
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,040
us you get the first time guest

813
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,440
disclaimer debbie which is this

814
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,599
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

815
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,760
having a conversation as friends where

816
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,000
the conversation starts it starts where

817
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,359
it ends it ends

818
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:45,119
but we're going to end his friends there

819
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,079
you go

820
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,520
you ready to go

821
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,320
i am you know i i'm going to throw you

822
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,760
under the bus a little bit debbie

823
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,240
earlier tonight everybody debbie said uh

824
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:56,880
jimmy two hours isn't enough

825
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,119
it's not enough not not not for debzy

826
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,000
so uh we'll get as much of this uh as we

827
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,839
can in but i look forward to the next

828
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,720
time

829
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200
uh that you are um on the show with us

830
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,520
and we'll be able to do a deeper dive

831
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,520
into these subjects but we have

832
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,720
uh so many things to cover tonight and i

833
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,720
want to try to get it all in

834
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,280
um now let's let's start here you've

835
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,319
obviously dedicated your life to ufo and

836
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,680
uso research and investigation and and

837
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,400
thank you for that but that journey

838
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,240
started somewhere

839
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,839
did you have a sighting when you were a

840
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,560
kid did this come from your parents

841
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,640
how did this all start

842
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,040
i think early on the interest

843
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,319
i uh i was born in michigan but

844
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,800
at a young age

845
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:48,079
preschool

846
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:49,359
i

847
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,400
and the sky

848
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,640
there was just phenomenal i mean that i

849
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,319
can remember as a child being able to

850
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,480
look up during the day and see venus i

851
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,240
mean it was it's just really in fact the

852
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,440
sky is so great there that um

853
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,400
the uh catholic church has a telescope

854
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,760
up on the mountain

855
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,920
called uh i believe it the lucifer

856
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,520
original that right lucifer are the

857
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,680
initials for that yes so i think that

858
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,280
was it um

859
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,960
i um i

860
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
used to climb up on the garage uh roof

861
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,680
and watch the stars i've always had a

862
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,040
telescope

863
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,440
and it kind of went from there that i i

864
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,359
was uh of course you know back then i

865
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:32,960
was a trekker

866
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,440
uh and i went to a mufon conference in

867
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,640
2000

868
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,560
um in the st louis area a mufon

869
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,200
symposium and i was hooked i thought wow

870
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,520
this is for real i had always had an

871
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,640
interest

872
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,200
but i was just impressed with the

873
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,800
caliber of

874
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,800
of uh speakers that they had i mean this

875
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,720
was this was bud hopkins and stanton

876
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,079
friedman and it just goes on and on and

877
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,680
on right right

878
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,520
wow you know i'm wasting

879
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,520
my time with a lot of science fiction

880
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,680
and my time on my own doing

881
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,520
investigations because i have books that

882
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,440
go way back from a child i always was

883
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,119
interested but i thought i need to take

884
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,200
this up a step and so i immediately

885
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,400
joined mufon and became an investigator

886
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,520
now

887
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,640
did you have uh sightings growing up did

888
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,720
you see anything

889
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,920
uh you know

890
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,000
that's

891
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:27,599
i'm not sure exactly uh i know that um

892
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,400
as a as a child i i know one time my my

893
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,920
mom found me outside the middle of the

894
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,680
night wandering around

895
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,520
you know that i might have just snuck

896
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,480
out to go look at the stars i was pretty

897
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:41,920
bad about that

898
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,400
uh i had um a sighting i know in um

899
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,680
august gosselin it was probably

900
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,160
1979

901
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,280
uh in there locally and everybody saw

902
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,760
something it looked like two silver

903
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,040
metallic

904
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:00,319
spears

905
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,079
up in the sky

906
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,760
uh they didn't move it was really a

907
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:06,800
windy day i had that uh 19 let's see it

908
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,560
was oh no not 79 it was a 2007

909
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,240
i had a rectangle craft go directly over

910
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,960
my head silently at 10 o'clock at night

911
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,800
and of course i had a flip phone with no

912
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
camera but i have had sightings and i

913
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,720
can go on and on with the sightings that

914
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,200
i've had but as a child uh you know i do

915
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,440
remember as a child i was fortunate

916
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,240
enough we lived in the area where they

917
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,960
we had we practiced um

918
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,160
duck and cover

919
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,280
because tucson was having uh nuclear

920
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,440
testing going on and so there were

921
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,920
radioactive clouds we were always aware

922
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,400
of that and i remember one time outside

923
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,720
seeing the giant wing fly across with

924
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,200
the propellers came right over my house

925
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,280
so i had you know i was in the area

926
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,599
where we were always looking up

927
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
and

928
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,359
the um

929
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,599
the 1979

930
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,960
sighting

931
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,960
um i want to ask you about that

932
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,280
specifically because

933
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,440
you seem to remember it i had a friend

934
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,839
of mine that i grew up with

935
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,720
uh

936
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,079
come and visit me a few years ago and i

937
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
hadn't seen him

938
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,680
since we were kids he was the drummer in

939
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,599
our little high school

940
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,440
band kind of thing

941
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,160
and uh and this was down in central

942
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,720
america it was in panama but he comes by

943
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,839
and we have dinner and jason martell was

944
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,240
was with us over at the house and

945
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,119
we come in and he says his name's javier

946
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,240
javier says to we you know we have maybe

947
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:39,760
10 people over

948
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,200
uh barbecuing no actually we catered

949
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:45,760
that one from a taco truck

950
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,400
came by and and and we had tacos anyway

951
00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:53,839
he says do you remember

952
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:54,760
in

953
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:02,839
when we were out all of us our group of

954
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,400
friends and you saw a flying saucer or a

955
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,720
ufo above us and we all saw it and i

956
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,359
said i don't remember that because jimmy

957
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,920
you lost your mind you were pointing and

958
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,599
there it was with the lights around it

959
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,400
and it was right above us and

960
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,200
javier i don't remember jimmy you lost

961
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,079
your mind you were freaking out and i

962
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,680
don't remember it

963
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,599
and if there is a missing time thing if

964
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:29,839
i've ever had an example of that

965
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,119
that just may be it for me but this

966
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,680
profound experience in sighting for

967
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,960
javier

968
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,680
and everybody else i don't remember

969
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,119
but you remember your sighting in 1979

970
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,640
i do was uh i believe it's april of 79

971
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,720
and um i was

972
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,599
uh standing i had i'd been in uh uh been

973
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,520
shopping and came out

974
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,160
and looked up and it was about it oh i

975
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,800
guess about 65 degrees in the sky

976
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,160
you know altitude and it was probably

977
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,400
the size of two aspirins one on top of

978
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,720
the other silver metallic and remember

979
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,560
the wind was blowing and blowing and

980
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,119
blowing and um i was you know

981
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,520
hadn't been married that long and

982
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,920
you know my husband looks up and he said

983
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,240
wow what's that well we followed all the

984
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,359
way home

985
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,839
we watched the sky he was driving and i

986
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,119
was watching

987
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:26,560
and my children were a little bitty then

988
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,319
and they they sought they still remember

989
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,040
and all when we got home everybody in

990
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,960
our subdivision was outside looking up

991
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,079
at this

992
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:38,560
and they were just two stationary one on

993
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:40,839
top of the other silver metallic

994
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,079
spheres on the news they everybody out

995
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,520
there we said who do we call and of

996
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,200
course you know i didn't have a camera

997
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,920
and everybody was talking about it and

998
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,119
pointing and they said well you know we

999
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,720
have called the military we called the

1000
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,200
news we called the police the police

1001
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,200
were driving up and down the road

1002
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,000
and uh then it just

1003
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,880
this strange fog just came out of

1004
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,880
nowhere i mean this was about 2 30 3

1005
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,119
o'clock in the afternoon on a sunny day

1006
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,560
crystal clear sky and all of a sudden

1007
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,119
the fog moved in and that's how it

1008
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,720
disappeared and everybody went in the

1009
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,560
house that night they said it was two

1010
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,640
weather balloons that had escaped from

1011
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
texas

1012
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,000
now i you know i live in missouri i mean

1013
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,319
that there was no way i know how weather

1014
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,520
balloons travel and they're not

1015
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,520
stationary in the st in the sky for

1016
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,760
about 30 minutes for one

1017
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,839
and on the other the wind was blowing so

1018
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,599
hard my hair was just whipping in the

1019
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,800
wind and these things were just

1020
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:35,200
stationary it was like looking at the

1021
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,160
moon

1022
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,760
during the day i mean it was just there

1023
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,119
and i don't know if it was two objects

1024
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,359
or one but there were two individual

1025
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:45,920
silver metallic spheres now

1026
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:48,960
what about uh the

1027
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,440
uh the focus of your research turning to

1028
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:55,040
usos

1029
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,920
um

1030
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:58,960
uh how did how did that happen and and

1031
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,640
when did this when did this go down

1032
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,599
[Laughter]

1033
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,760
that is my husband's fault

1034
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,000
my husband and my son decided to become

1035
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:10,000
scuba divers

1036
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,040
and

1037
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,480
they had so much fun with it i was

1038
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,079
scared to death of water

1039
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,800
they had i had near drowned twice as a

1040
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,760
child

1041
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,680
and they

1042
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,599
got so enthused that my husband went out

1043
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,119
bought me all this equipment i thought

1044
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,800
oh good gosh i'm just gonna go through

1045
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,040
the motions and then pass the testing

1046
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,640
and then never go back

1047
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:29,599
and

1048
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,680
uh so i became a diver the weekend after

1049
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,640
9 11 that following weekend was my

1050
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,359
certification and i was just so scared

1051
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,440
to death of the water that my first open

1052
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,520
water dive i passed out underwater 22

1053
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,960
foot i was

1054
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,760
so mad about that i went back the next

1055
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,040
weekend and finished up but

1056
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,480
that just the diving it made me realize

1057
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,720
that there is so much going on that we

1058
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:58,000
can't see

1059
00:49:04,870 --> 00:48:58,880
and

1060
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,880
such a terrible diver that by 2007 i was

1061
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,040
an instructor i just kept i got so

1062
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,359
enthused something in me just said this

1063
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,960
is it this is where

1064
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,720
this is meant to be

1065
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,359
and why i never thought of it before

1066
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,359
i mean

1067
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,200
the and the more i went diving and the

1068
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,480
more that i

1069
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,400
saw well i had a sighting off of a

1070
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,880
cruise ship in 2006.

1071
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,359
so i became an instructor in 2007 but i

1072
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:29,280
think that's what it was there weren't a

1073
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,480
lot of people talking about water

1074
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,599
sightings

1075
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,839
and it seemed to me that i mean that's

1076
00:49:39,549 --> 00:49:37,920
what i was focusing on was buying every

1077
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:39,559
book on it in

1078
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,280
2003 tom ferrario and i decided

1079
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,800
that we were going to teach a class and

1080
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,000
i believe we taught the first one in

1081
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,520
2004 underwater ufo search and recovery

1082
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,200
so

1083
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:54,079
it was just it seemed like that was just

1084
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,960
where

1085
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,800
i should be focusing and i'm not exactly

1086
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,520
sure why well okay i i want to talk

1087
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,160
about the cruise ship in 2006

1088
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,960
um and and the audience would be really

1089
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,079
angry

1090
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,440
if i didn't go back and and see uh what

1091
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,800
what all of this was about um wha what

1092
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,480
is 2006 where was the cruise ship

1093
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,040
oh oh i was uh i was on a royal

1094
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,440
caribbean cruise it was a explorer of

1095
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,720
the seas and we were just leaving um we

1096
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,480
were leaving saint martin heading for st

1097
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,480
thomas and i'm that kind of person that

1098
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,160
i'm always out there with the camera

1099
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,760
when we're leaving someplace i'm taking

1100
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,720
pictures

1101
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,599
well

1102
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,920
we didn't eat until 8 30.

1103
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,839
so i was walking around the ship taking

1104
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,520
pictures and i was gonna meet the rest

1105
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,200
of our party in the the front of the

1106
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,319
ship

1107
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,760
and as i'm walking along i saw these

1108
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,720
um

1109
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,280
these two objects that were just they

1110
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,760
were kind of spinning they were tilting

1111
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,319
back and forth and spinning next to each

1112
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,559
other and i thought what in the world is

1113
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:57,359
that

1114
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,160
and

1115
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,240
i've it's in my book the picture that i

1116
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,960
took i got one picture and actually i

1117
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,640
got a second picture but i'm watching as

1118
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,400
a ship is passing

1119
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,720
and it wasn't a reflection i was

1120
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,000
watching these things they were about

1121
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,559
the size of volkswagen cars and they

1122
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,800
were off the ship and you know

1123
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,319
in the distance enough for me to make

1124
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,520
out

1125
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,160
so i took off running toward the back of

1126
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,079
the ship trying to get a second picture

1127
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,760
and i got one more blurry picture that

1128
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,599
one was through plexiglas but the

1129
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,839
original picture that i took the first

1130
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,480
picture was not and i saw these i went

1131
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,800
all over the ship asking anybody i could

1132
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,880
that worked on ships what is this do you

1133
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,480
throw things off you know were they

1134
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,800
frizz giant frisbees do you think it

1135
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,119
could be lights from um they have little

1136
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,119
mini subs on these cruises you know they

1137
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,040
come out from the islands and they said

1138
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,440
no it was too far out for a mini sub no

1139
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,119
one could explain what these these two

1140
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,200
they were circle craft and it's kind of

1141
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:55,440
it ended up funny because later on when

1142
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,440
uh margie gave me um margie

1143
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,079
by editor right right she gave me uh the

1144
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,720
editor of my book she gave me a picture

1145
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,800
that a cover for the book and she says

1146
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,160
what do you think of this and i looked

1147
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,920
back and i thought oh my gosh that's

1148
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,319
exactly what i saw really close to what

1149
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,880
i saw in 2006 and i had never told

1150
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,119
margie about this sighting

1151
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,640
uh we never did figure out what it was

1152
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,640
i've been on nine cruises that was the

1153
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,319
second cruise i've been on i've never

1154
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,319
been able to duplicate this and the

1155
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,319
funny thing about it was that this was a

1156
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,160
january 26th

1157
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,440
and the setting on my camera switched to

1158
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,079
i think it was february 5th

1159
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,079
after that all the pictures are right

1160
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,400
all all the data in my pictures are

1161
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:41,760
correct until that sighting and then my

1162
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,839
data switch to february 5th and 11 hours

1163
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,400
later

1164
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,520
so i

1165
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,200
something affected that there was some

1166
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,680
kind of an emf effect nobody else on the

1167
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,160
ship mentioned seeing it

1168
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,839
it's because i was out there with the

1169
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:58,000
camera i happened to be taking pictures

1170
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:59,520
i'm one of those that i go on a one-week

1171
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:02,480
cruise and i come back with 500 pictures

1172
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:03,440
so

1173
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,240
right

1174
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,680
i'm out there taking pictures of

1175
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,920
everything in the and

1176
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,480
i have no idea what that was but since

1177
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,520
then

1178
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,920
i've had someone else i had a signing

1179
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,520
that was uh it's in my book too another

1180
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,920
citing uh someone else i think in 2018

1181
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,359
off a cruise ship

1182
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,359
saw pretty much the same thing they

1183
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,200
described it they i didn't put the

1184
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,359
picture in the book um but their

1185
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,839
sighting and then i had um another a

1186
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,880
gentleman that's one of our

1187
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,200
investigators also his uh he had a

1188
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,119
family member that i believe said went

1189
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,680
to ireland about five years ago and they

1190
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,440
took a picture and it's the same thing

1191
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,520
over a lake

1192
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:40,559
um

1193
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,240
i have no idea what it was but now

1194
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,319
yeah i find that fascinating and

1195
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,720
especially the cruise ship aspect i

1196
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,559
don't know if you know of steve barone

1197
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,880
out of las vegas but he shoots some

1198
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,119
amazing videos and his

1199
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,480
uh

1200
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,640
journey into this also started on a

1201
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,200
cruise ship by accident and he saw

1202
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,400
something

1203
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,280
and uh and it was significant and then

1204
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,760
his journey you know started in this

1205
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,400
world too as well if we look back into

1206
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,640
the history of this and i'm just going

1207
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,040
off of the top of my head but we have

1208
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,760
things like christopher columbus right

1209
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,079
all the way through to like bill cooper

1210
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,520
and that famous

1211
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,480
chapter in his book pale horse where

1212
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,839
he's on a submarine and he's in the navy

1213
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,640
and they see this massive craft rise out

1214
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,079
of the water and

1215
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,599
and and that in incident too as well

1216
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:37,119
historically

1217
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,119
how far back do uso sightings go

1218
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,119
i found one all the way back to

1219
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:45,040
1067

1220
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,119
and it was uh oh gosh let's see the the

1221
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,960
name of the the let's see the name of

1222
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:52,960
the book i wrote it down because i had

1223
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,599
my memories not it was a from a jeffrey

1224
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:58,559
gamar's la story de des

1225
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,760
which is actually it's a historic

1226
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,880
account

1227
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,200
that was uh written about england back

1228
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,119
in the day

1229
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,160
and the sighting was that um

1230
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,440
oh let's see here it goes uh well it was

1231
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,920
a it was some kind of a light that went

1232
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,559
up and down in the water um let's see i

1233
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,040
got a description here oh here it is um

1234
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:23,200
in this year people saw a fire that

1235
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,319
flamed

1236
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,559
and burned fiercely in the sky it came

1237
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,040
near the earth and a little time in a

1238
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,599
little time it really brilliantly

1239
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,400
lit up afterwards it revolved ascended

1240
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,119
on high and descended back into the sea

1241
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:40,000
and i mean that was 1067 but then also

1242
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,240
two i've got a passage um also um

1243
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,640
zechariah from the saint james version

1244
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,720
of i mean st james

1245
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,119
version i guess of the bible um

1246
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,040
i'm i'm catholic so i've got a saint

1247
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:55,440
james version um but anyway zechariah i

1248
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,280
found that it said um then i turned and

1249
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,520
let's see then i turned and lifted up

1250
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:03,760
mine eyes and looked

1251
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:04,559
and

1252
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,319
behold a flying roll

1253
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,480
and then said unto me

1254
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,160
what seeth thou

1255
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:15,119
and i answered i see a flying roll the

1256
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,319
length thereof is 20 cubics

1257
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,119
and the beneath thereof 10 cubics now a

1258
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:23,920
cubic 20 cubics is 30 foot

1259
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,359
uh 10 cubics is 15 foot this thing was a

1260
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:29,040
giant world that was huge i mean that

1261
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,319
was in the bible there's a lot of

1262
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,319
passages in the bible that talk about

1263
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,480
that type of thing

1264
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,599
so these sightings go back centuries and

1265
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,400
centuries and centuries

1266
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,559
and um

1267
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:45,359
it would seem to me uh it would

1268
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,160
whoop

1269
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,680
it it would seem to me that the place to

1270
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,960
look would be

1271
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,960
toward the water since 70 of the earth

1272
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:54,880
is water and it's a great place to hide

1273
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,839
yeah absolutely and we'll talk all about

1274
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,680
all of that uh when we come back after

1275
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,280
the break we've got about two minutes

1276
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:02,240
left

1277
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:03,119
um

1278
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,520
i uh i just finished uh narrating a film

1279
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:09,520
and part of

1280
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,960
uh as as a narrator i'm you know i'm

1281
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,520
obviously reading about these historical

1282
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,160
events and setting up stuff in the film

1283
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,280
and there were three or four

1284
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:24,960
um examples um that all

1285
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,400
uh happened here in the united states

1286
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,480
um over the last couple of hundred years

1287
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,160
and before

1288
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,280
all in the water rivers

1289
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:38,000
you know the side of lakes uh the

1290
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,440
sightings you know being from the side

1291
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,160
of the lake the the uso

1292
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,920
is happening out in the water and of

1293
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,000
course we have the atlantic and pacific

1294
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,280
ocean

1295
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,359
and this is

1296
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,359
this is before there were flying

1297
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,280
machines right there's not supposed to

1298
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,599
be anything in the skies

1299
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,480
but yet you know 200 years ago you've

1300
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,079
got reports

1301
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,280
um

1302
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:03,440
you know from town leaders and religious

1303
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:07,680
leaders about objects uh uh coming and

1304
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,720
going

1305
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,359
from the water uh now i'm gonna start

1306
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,520
there as we move into the break

1307
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,200
ultimately what do you think they are

1308
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,319
doing

1309
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:19,440
in the water in in in in the distant

1310
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,760
past what's the water connection

1311
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,040
well

1312
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,920
that's a that's really a long story but

1313
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:28,799
i

1314
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,359
down there there are

1315
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,599
other worldly beings or are they are

1316
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,000
they actually or has there been another

1317
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,839
life form deep in the water that we just

1318
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,200
don't know about

1319
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,599
uh that was mentioned just recently in

1320
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,480
an interview by lou elizondo yes in the

1321
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:51,119
uk and he brought up they the last

1322
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,480
question they asked him was where do you

1323
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,480
think they come from and he said well

1324
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,920
i'm not really still sure if they come

1325
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,520
from any place if they haven't already

1326
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,359
been here and technology is just picking

1327
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,359
them up now we're just referring maybe

1328
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,559
to one

1329
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,720
and we keep saying they i mean there are

1330
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,000
multiple multiple multiple different um

1331
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,760
alien beings from multiple different

1332
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,200
places

1333
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,040
and uh we have we have to watch

1334
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,839
categorizing them all into

1335
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,640
one section because that's that's what's

1336
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,520
making this so hard to try and solve is

1337
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,119
we've got all this information and we

1338
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,440
just have to try and filter it out

1339
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:28,079
yeah certainly yeah it's certainly just

1340
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,240
uh not one extraterrestrial civilization

1341
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,480
that would make things impossible our

1342
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,200
guest tonight debbie zieglemeyer she is

1343
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,760
here we're talking about her new book

1344
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1345
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,240
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1346
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,119
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1347
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of earth's waterways i'm your host jimmy

1348
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1351
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[Music]

1450
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,549
welcome back fade to black i am your

1451
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,000
host jimmy church tonight debbie

1452
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,079
zieglemeyer is with us talking about her

1453
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,400
book the alien colonization

1454
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,640
of earth's waterways

1455
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,559
before we get back to debbie i've got

1456
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:15,039
some breaking news i want to share with

1457
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,559
everybody

1458
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,760
uh

1459
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:19,760
looks like

1460
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,160
40 starlink satellites that launched on

1461
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:27,599
february 3rd have been destroyed

1462
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,799
because of that geomagnetic storm that i

1463
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,079
reported

1464
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:34,799
that was going to hit us last thursday

1465
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:37,839
the storm caused up to a 50 higher drag

1466
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,720
rate

1467
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:40,799
than previous launches

1468
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,079
and uh it looks like those uh

1469
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,079
40 satellites

1470
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:48,400
did not reach their orbit

1471
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,200
and

1472
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,480
will now

1473
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:51,680
burn up

1474
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:54,880
in earth's atmosphere i will have more

1475
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,119
on this breaking news

1476
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,359
uh tomorrow night that's going to be

1477
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,599
you know starlink itself

1478
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:03,680
is pretty amazing to see in the night

1479
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,400
sky well how about 40 of those

1480
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,559
uh burning up in earth's atmosphere

1481
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,559
that's that's pretty crazy debbie right

1482
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,760
uh

1483
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,480
wow that's gonna be fun to watch that is

1484
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,160
oh my gosh

1485
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,480
depending on where you are i mean might

1486
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,160
you know that if you don't know about

1487
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:25,430
an alien invasion

1488
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,720
um right

1489
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:28,880
a little bit i want to get back to usos

1490
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,599
but i'll say this i hadn't seen the

1491
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,400
starlink yet right okay and i've only

1492
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,160
seen it once and i was back in

1493
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,200
indianapolis last year and i'm hanging

1494
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,440
out with some friends and we're down in

1495
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:43,599
uh the man cave of one of my friends

1496
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,000
houses and we had like you know ten of

1497
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:48,079
us down there old high school friends

1498
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,520
right okay

1499
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,079
and one of the wives michelle

1500
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,520
who i've known you know for 40 years

1501
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,920
she comes running in and

1502
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,920
of course everybody wants to talk ufos

1503
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,839
with me right okay all right that's fine

1504
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:03,839
that's fine we're all old friends but

1505
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:07,680
she comes running in oh my god jimmy

1506
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,960
alien invasion i was like what

1507
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,599
come on i go running outside and sure

1508
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,319
enough it was crazy starlink right

1509
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:21,270
and i had never seen it before and there

1510
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,280
was uh i saw i think i counted 10

1511
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,119
but they were disappearing as they were

1512
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,359
moving right so i don't know but in my

1513
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:32,720
field of view across the the sky

1514
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,760
was 10 in a row and it if you didn't

1515
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:37,520
know what it was you would lose your

1516
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,480
mind it was crazy to see

1517
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,440
oh yeah i've seen them not i five at a

1518
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,920
time um i saw some spread out i knew

1519
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,119
where to look

1520
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,119
but yeah we we get a lot of sightings

1521
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,200
about that you know about starling so

1522
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,799
we're all pretty familiar with it i

1523
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,559
wanted to clear up something that i said

1524
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:56,480
before i said i went from a terrible

1525
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,599
diver to a dive instructor and

1526
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,000
i kind of missed all the six years in

1527
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,760
between um

1528
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,880
but i

1529
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,480
what i said before was that i was really

1530
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,160
a terrible

1531
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,079
not a very confident diver and the more

1532
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,680
i got in the water the more i realized

1533
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,680
what was going on and how much is hidden

1534
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,440
underwater right

1535
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,199
that people are missing i kept taking

1536
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,440
classes and classes and classes and by

1537
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,080
2007 i went from being afraid of the

1538
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,279
water to 2007 i was just possessed with

1539
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:27,040
getting in the water and scuba diving

1540
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,080
and

1541
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,560
i've i i quit counting at about three

1542
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,640
four hundred dives i mean so

1543
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,120
anyway it's a

1544
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,799
whole different

1545
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:39,520
world under under there no you have no

1546
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,319
idea i i wanted to make this comment if

1547
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,600
you don't mind

1548
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,719
um obviously diving

1549
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:48,319
you're jumping into the fountain of

1550
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,440
youth

1551
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,560
because you said in 1979 you were

1552
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:54,880
married with kids

1553
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:55,679
right

1554
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,000
in 1979 i was uh 15 years old making mud

1555
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,080
pies i was a doofus

1556
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,719
in 1979. but you i thought you were

1557
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,799
younger than me

1558
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,920
you you

1559
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:09,359
diving

1560
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,400
don't stop whatever you're doing

1561
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,319
whatever you're doing

1562
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,159
don't stop my

1563
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,880
my birthday was january 21st and um i

1564
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,199
went to florida and the water was kind

1565
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,159
of rough so i decided to go skydiving

1566
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,679
for the first time

1567
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,040
so

1568
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,440
i i plummeted from a plane on my

1569
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:31,520
birthday yeah that's amazing well that's

1570
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,630
how big

1571
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,159
how much

1572
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,759
you know we hear these numbers all the

1573
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,920
time about how much of the

1574
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:46,640
uh under the water uh

1575
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,600
that we have mapped and and discovered

1576
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,799
and seen

1577
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,880
which is virtually none you know

1578
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,400
compared to

1579
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,159
the land masses

1580
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,040
how much is really out there

1581
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,480
well we've only looked at about

1582
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,560
according to noah 5

1583
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:05,280
of our our waterways we've only explored

1584
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,320
5

1585
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,080
we know more about the moon than we know

1586
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,800
about underwater we may at this point

1587
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,719
know more about mars i mean it's it's

1588
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,040
just incredible we've we've got

1589
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:17,360
trenches that are deep deep deep water

1590
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,800
trenches that we're not able to go

1591
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,280
down to which i mean we have

1592
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,239
gone down you know

1593
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,600
there's been a couple scientists that

1594
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,280
have gone down deep but you can't stay

1595
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,360
for very long you go you know something

1596
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,520
as far as our submarines i'm not exactly

1597
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,440
sure you know they tell you what

1598
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,280
collapsible depth is we don't know what

1599
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,920
they really can do but i know it's

1600
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,400
geez i don't think they're below 500

1601
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,199
feet yeah a thousand feet is maxed out

1602
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:47,440
you know 500 feet

1603
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:50,719
is is about it and and i know that

1604
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,600
uh you're aware of uh that little thing

1605
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:56,400
that i uh kind of discovered and broke

1606
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,960
the news about uh you know eight years

1607
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,199
ago the malibu underwater base which is

1608
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,719
right off the coast of

1609
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,280
of california here and i went out there

1610
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,920
um with a big boat research vessel we

1611
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,159
had submersibles and

1612
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,080
and things that we were dropping off the

1613
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,880
side uh i think at the time that was for

1614
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:16,320
history channel

1615
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:19,760
and we had all the high-tech gear right

1616
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,199
and we needed to get down to

1617
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:25,280
1800 feet

1618
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,280
i and at that time i did the research of

1619
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,760
a submersible and reached out to james

1620
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:36,000
cameron and tried to get his which it

1621
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,000
turned out it was even functional he had

1622
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:39,760
taken that thing apart

1623
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,199
so there really wasn't any submersibles

1624
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,040
that you could put a person in

1625
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,880
available anywhere in the world that

1626
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,880
could go down to those depths you can do

1627
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,480
the unmanned stuff

1628
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:52,800
and everything that we were dropping in

1629
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:56,000
the water would malfunction once it got

1630
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:56,960
down

1631
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,120
uh to to certain depths i mean it is

1632
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,360
doesn't sound very far

1633
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,320
but it truly is and the pressures are

1634
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,640
insane at that depth

1635
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,400
oh the pressure is unbelievable a

1636
01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:13,040
recreational diver is limited to 130

1637
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,560
feet i mean i've been down to about

1638
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,719
145 only because i was diving in cozumel

1639
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,880
and we drifted down a little bit we were

1640
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,640
doing cave diving

1641
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,400
but the other pressure is

1642
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,159
incredible uh

1643
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:28,239
with in depth i mean there's divers that

1644
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,360
go down

1645
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:30,800
uh well there were

1646
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,640
there's a tech divers go down 165 200

1647
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,400
feet but they're only down there for a

1648
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:37,679
few minutes and what people don't

1649
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:40,320
realize it's dark dark dark it is very

1650
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,800
dark at depth now in cozumel at 140 feet

1651
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,159
we you know i could look up and see the

1652
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:47,760
water moving back and forth because

1653
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:50,159
invisibility is incredible

1654
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,320
but it it's normally it's very very

1655
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,480
dark and um

1656
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,199
especially there uh the water's cold

1657
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:01,760
i've been diving you know uh off of

1658
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,960
laguna beach and the water's cold you

1659
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,400
have to worry about getting in and out

1660
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,239
of the water because of the waves

1661
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,600
hitting you

1662
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,760
but even to go down i had somebody said

1663
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,080
well they hovered over the top they had

1664
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,159
some equipment hovered over the top of

1665
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,000
that area and couldn't see anything

1666
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,360
really you think i mean visibility is

1667
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:24,000
is not that far

1668
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,600
so um

1669
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,600
i i still even the fact that you said

1670
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,000
that your equipment malfunctioned that

1671
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,920
in itself is just a little anonymous

1672
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,920
don't you think that yeah i know i know

1673
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,520
i know yeah

1674
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,199
yes do you know that there was another

1675
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,840
one uh one of our investigators uh lynn

1676
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,960
mann

1677
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,239
said she's one of our missouri

1678
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,480
investigators she found the same shape

1679
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:46,800
off of uh japan

1680
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,430
i think there's something to that i

1681
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,080
still don't think that's um explained as

1682
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,800
a natural phenomenon down there i think

1683
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,159
i still think

1684
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,000
that that's something that needs to be

1685
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:02,080
investigated further and it's impossible

1686
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,440
to do i mean

1687
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,640
with uh

1688
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,960
the money that we spent

1689
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,159
uh

1690
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:10,880
i i suppose you could

1691
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,400
you know go to unlimited funding and and

1692
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,120
and get closer and do but it is deeper

1693
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:18,480
than you think

1694
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,600
easy to do but what was strange for us

1695
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,080
is that when we would because this is

1696
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,920
the way i look at it debbie

1697
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,159
if you're going to hide you need to hide

1698
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,480
don't do it on land

1699
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,320
you're going to go underwater

1700
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:38,000
we can't go there

1701
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,159
and i found out how difficult it was a

1702
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:44,239
to keep a boat still

1703
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:49,840
uh uh above this you've got the tide and

1704
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,480
currents and and wind and everything

1705
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,960
else so that's difficult to do

1706
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:55,679
but

1707
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,880
we were dropping these submersibles uh

1708
01:15:05,350 --> 01:14:59,920
down

1709
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,360
they would stop working sonar would stop

1710
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,840
now you know and i'm thinking is it an

1711
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,440
electric fence

1712
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,520
is there something there you know under

1713
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,440
the water not a physical fence but some

1714
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,920
kind of you know barrier force field

1715
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,400
something that is blocking electronic

1716
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,080
equipment from working it's supposed to

1717
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,640
work at that depth it wasn't we would

1718
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:25,679
bring it up and that takes hours

1719
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:29,440
hours to winch something up 500 feet

1720
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:30,239
uh

1721
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,679
a hundred feet

1722
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,480
uh it it takes time and then as soon as

1723
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,120
it would get up to 20 feet below the

1724
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,159
surface 40 it would start working

1725
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,880
and then we would lower it back down and

1726
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:45,040
then it would stop working and it just

1727
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,159
didn't make any sense all the

1728
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,199
connections are good we knew that

1729
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:51,120
and it just makes you wonder goes back

1730
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,480
to your point

1731
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,159
what is stopping

1732
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,080
this research right there off of the

1733
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,920
coast of california this isn't out in

1734
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,920
the middle of the pacific ocean it's

1735
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:02,080
right here on the coast and we can't get

1736
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:03,040
to it

1737
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,159
what a great place to hide

1738
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,080
well we do have submarine bases uh

1739
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,440
there's one in san diego and there's

1740
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,679
also one i think it's in the long beach

1741
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,719
area

1742
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,320
you know it could be something that our

1743
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,320
government's got down there too that's

1744
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,000
that's blocking they don't want us to

1745
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:20,800
see what's what's down there

1746
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,920
um but i i thoroughly believe well for

1747
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,480
one uh catalina island

1748
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:29,199
catalina island has had sightings for so

1749
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:32,840
many years i think it was july 6th of

1750
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,520
1947 they that you know right there

1751
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:37,600
right around the whole roswell era there

1752
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:40,560
were um first two teenagers that saw

1753
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:43,280
some craft going over and then a couple

1754
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,640
days later there were three military uh

1755
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:48,159
people from the middle of three

1756
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,360
servicemen

1757
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,440
that were there vacationing and saw

1758
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:54,080
craft going over and then um

1759
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:57,600
oh gosh i don't remember exactly the

1760
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,159
year but then a few years later um there

1761
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,880
were um i think at one point

1762
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:04,640
it might have been

1763
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,760
oh gosh i think it was around maybe

1764
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,360
82 i'm not for sure

1765
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:12,800
i'll have to look at my notes it's late

1766
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,679
here but um they had

1767
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,679
one day where there were just hundreds

1768
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,679
of craft people had seen craft just

1769
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,920
coming out and out and out of the water

1770
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,400
uh there's so many

1771
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,400
sightings in that area i mean there's a

1772
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:28,080
whole bunch of that you know i have a

1773
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,360
lot of the sightings listed in my book

1774
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,360
but preston dennett wrote a whole entire

1775
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,760
book about that i have family members

1776
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,239
that live in california so i've been to

1777
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:39,360
catalina catalina island several times

1778
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,800
and their surfer sightings there's a lot

1779
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:45,199
of activity in that area

1780
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,159
ronald reagan ronald and nancy had their

1781
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,320
their famous sighting there steve

1782
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,280
morello of mufon you know steve

1783
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:54,640
had his

1784
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,400
sighting right there um in uh

1785
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,960
uh that i'm gonna just say marina del

1786
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,480
rey uh

1787
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,159
manhattan beach

1788
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,280
and and his sighting of of those uh

1789
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,280
craft that were coming in from the

1790
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:11,280
direct from the west from catalina

1791
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,480
island

1792
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,120
and flew directly over his house

1793
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,480
and so many so many more sightings have

1794
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,800
been right there and of course ronald

1795
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,400
and nancy reagan

1796
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,040
their description of what they saw

1797
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:28,159
can't be anything else but uh

1798
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,760
a uso right there off of the coast

1799
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:33,679
oh and that that you know i remembered

1800
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,159
it now it was at june of 1992 and they

1801
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,840
had hundreds

1802
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,640
of of reports of things coming around

1803
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,239
coming out of the water

1804
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,400
uh that's a very active area so is

1805
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:47,199
puerto rico puerto rico um jorge martine

1806
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,120
i spoke with him he's the investigator

1807
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,120
there in puerto rico

1808
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,800
and i asked him why he's not writing

1809
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,960
more in english he's he's got one book

1810
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:56,480
out that's in english but he has a

1811
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,400
magazine in spanish

1812
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,640
the the sightings there are just

1813
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,480
unbelievable

1814
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:04,800
um they they just go on they go way way

1815
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,679
back for 20 30 years he's got his whole

1816
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,239
website about that so that there is so

1817
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,000
much there's so much going on in the

1818
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,480
oceans that mufon has

1819
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,320
a um

1820
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:19,120
a a museum that we were given a museum

1821
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:20,400
in pine bush

1822
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:24,400
new york and i made up a map a six foot

1823
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:27,920
by four foot um laminated map and put

1824
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:31,040
little red dots on it just on ocean and

1825
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,480
seas and i had over 300 dots and i could

1826
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:37,199
have put some of the dots 10 15 high

1827
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:38,080
so

1828
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,679
right now i mean especially well there

1829
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,080
always has been but right now all the

1830
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,000
reports that are coming out that are

1831
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:50,239
being released all have to do with water

1832
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,920
now don't you think that's just a little

1833
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,440
odd no one's saying anything about the

1834
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:55,679
rest of this but

1835
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,719
you know it's almost like

1836
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,320
they're they're releasing this because

1837
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,760
you just can't hide it anymore there's

1838
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,520
too much of us out too many of us out

1839
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,199
there with cameras and

1840
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:06,960
too many reports going on but it just

1841
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:08,159
seemed funny to me that that's where

1842
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,440
they started

1843
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,719
government started releasing films of

1844
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,320
things coming in and out of the water

1845
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,120
yeah yeah lou elizondo said on the show

1846
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:19,760
a couple of times on this program

1847
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,880
uh where we are going through the

1848
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,400
conversation

1849
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,800
and it seemed to me and lou if you're

1850
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,320
listening i'm not i don't want to put

1851
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,560
words in your mouth or thoughts in your

1852
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:33,120
head but it seemed to me he wanted to

1853
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,520
lead the conversation into a water

1854
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:39,199
conversation

1855
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,560
and and and certainly made comments uh

1856
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,280
that that you're referring to

1857
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,360
uh that he has made on other shows he

1858
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:49,280
certainly did it here

1859
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:50,080
and

1860
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:53,440
if we go back to not only uh the nimitz

1861
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,239
uh but that we have uh the roosevelt

1862
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,400
both of these incidents happened

1863
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:01,360
uh over water and then the other recent

1864
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,239
stuff

1865
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,760
that again between catalina and san

1866
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,120
diego

1867
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:09,040
uh off of the west coast of the united

1868
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,639
states out in the pacific ocean a severe

1869
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:14,880
military area by the way i mean we've

1870
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,600
got a lot of navy

1871
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:19,520
happening in that area

1872
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,320
but things are happening out there now

1873
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:24,239
do you think that the connection may be

1874
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,440
tied to the military

1875
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:28,639
ah

1876
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,080
no from the reports that i got um

1877
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,120
i i i had one up i i had people have

1878
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:37,520
been giving me things for years

1879
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,400
um well one of the um

1880
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,520
my

1881
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,080
biggest supporters was uh it is still is

1882
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,320
john schussler um he was one of the

1883
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,400
founders of mufon he handed me things

1884
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,159
and sent me things so that's how i came

1885
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,920
up with all this information and it just

1886
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,600
seemed like because i had this interest

1887
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,440
in water

1888
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:57,760
and from some of the reports um i've

1889
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:01,440
i've got a whole chapter that's just um

1890
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:05,120
ship logged reports and they're puzzled

1891
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,960
i mean military cruise ship uh cargo

1892
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,520
ship they don't know what's going on you

1893
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:13,840
know this isn't something that our

1894
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,800
government is maybe some of it is our

1895
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,920
our own

1896
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,880
um technology that they're hiding but as

1897
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,360
far as releasing things you can go back

1898
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,199
and read some of these reports and it's

1899
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:27,040
just crazy i mean they're going what is

1900
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,080
this

1901
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,800
and you know we have people that are in

1902
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,719
the navy they're on these ships you have

1903
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,400
these these sailors that they're the

1904
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:36,960
lookouts and they see this they're

1905
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,199
probably at sea for two three months

1906
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,239
that is their job to be the lookout and

1907
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,679
they're they pretty much stay in the

1908
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:46,480
same area and then to report something

1909
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,920
that they don't know what it is that

1910
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,760
they're absolutely puzzled

1911
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,239
is just amazing something enough to

1912
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,639
where they're actually turning in the

1913
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:57,360
report and sending it into headquarters

1914
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:00,480
and saying this is what i saw

1915
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:01,360
so

1916
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,480
they um

1917
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,040
that they had set up something that they

1918
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,960
thought was maybe russian or somebody

1919
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:12,000
else

1920
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,679
you know that they wouldn't be reporting

1921
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,600
it for one thing they wouldn't be

1922
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,520
shocked for another and

1923
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,320
why um they're releasing all of this now

1924
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,159
it doesn't seem to you

1925
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,960
between lou alizondo and the films that

1926
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:26,320
are coming out

1927
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,360
that

1928
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,920
they're little by little giving us some

1929
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,360
disclosure

1930
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,400
well there's that part of it and

1931
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,080
the other part is

1932
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,080
everything seems to

1933
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,440
involve water now i know that it's the

1934
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:43,280
united states navy and that would make a

1935
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,560
lot of sense

1936
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:47,120
but if you go back to

1937
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:49,920
uh the go fast video

1938
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,159
that video is of water right you well

1939
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,080
you can see obviously the objects but

1940
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,480
that's shot over water uh we have

1941
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:58,560
everything with the tic tac

1942
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:00,639
and the roosevelt but then

1943
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:03,520
uh you brought up uh puerto rico and

1944
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:06,320
that homeland security video clearly

1945
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,360
shows

1946
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:09,600
uh something flying over the airport but

1947
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:13,440
then going in and out of the water at st

1948
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:14,800
at speed

1949
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,159
without it without a splash

1950
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:19,920
right right

1951
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,880
yeah it circled around the airport twice

1952
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,960
you know and um

1953
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,199
you know was captured on film it went in

1954
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,960
and out of the water which is something

1955
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,880
else too because these objects are going

1956
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,320
in and out of the water with these

1957
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:33,920
they're coming in and out of our

1958
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:36,480
atmosphere with ease

1959
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,320
yeah so um i had before

1960
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:42,159
he had passed i got to be friends with

1961
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:46,639
carl feint who was an expert on water

1962
01:24:52,189 --> 01:24:49,920
and he thought that these objects um

1963
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,199
these craft that that that um

1964
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,800
electromagnetic field surrounding them

1965
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,560
because of that they were never touching

1966
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,000
the atmosphere they were never touching

1967
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,000
the water and this is why there wasn't a

1968
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,400
sonic boom coming in and out of our

1969
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:04,880
atmosphere why they're traveling at such

1970
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,920
a high rate of speed at ease because

1971
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,159
there's a field around them

1972
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,960
around these craft and they're traveling

1973
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:14,880
through the water you know at ease

1974
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,960
faster than anything else you know the

1975
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:19,760
the tic tacs these uh the fast movers

1976
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,400
have been picked up by submarines uh uh

1977
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,480
marked antonio has a story about one of

1978
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,120
those i'm sure you've met mark

1979
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:28,800
so um

1980
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,280
it just seems to me with 70 of the earth

1981
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,400
being water why not you know why not be

1982
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,560
the hiding place

1983
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,070
it just seems kind of um

1984
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:44,480
remarkable you know maybe right place at

1985
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,840
the right time that this is my expertise

1986
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:49,679
kind of fell into it

1987
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,639
you're not getting anything from the

1988
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,560
military you know from the army you're

1989
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:57,040
not getting a whole lot from the air

1990
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,000
force

1991
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:00,159
the navy is reporting all of this

1992
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:01,440
i think it's gotten to the point to

1993
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,880
where they're just seeing so much they

1994
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:05,520
just can't even hide it anymore now

1995
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,520
let's go to uh the uh john schussler

1996
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,960
stash

1997
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,239
um

1998
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,639
when when did you get this material from

1999
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,679
him and because of his

2000
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,440
you know when his tenure was and how

2001
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,000
long he's been a part of this this must

2002
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:24,560
have been an accumulation of data

2003
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,679
that that goes back a little bit

2004
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,239
what was in this stash

2005
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,960
oh no not really a stash um

2006
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:35,040
john would send me

2007
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,199
he'd see something at first it was it

2008
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,120
was so nice at first this has been i

2009
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,040
believe since i um

2010
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:43,520
was on the board of directors which i

2011
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,870
i became a member of the board of

2012
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:51,440
directors and we got to talking about

2013
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:54,159
water sightings and so i'd get a manila

2014
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,000
envelope in the mail and it would have

2015
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,840
articles

2016
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,320
pages cut off a magazine or things that

2017
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,719
he had had somebody print out

2018
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,199
and then later on i would get emails

2019
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,199
from him and he'd say did you see this

2020
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,960
and did you see this so i mean it's

2021
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,920
great it's

2022
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,679
it's kind of um

2023
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,760
a correspondence back and forth that

2024
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,600
anything that he finds that has to do

2025
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,840
with water he was sending it to me but

2026
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,600
the more i got into

2027
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,280
water sightings and the more i started

2028
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,920
talking about it in public people would

2029
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:25,520
walk up and say here you need to see

2030
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,679
this or you need to check out this

2031
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:29,600
website or you need to look at this or

2032
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:32,239
that and before i knew it i was just

2033
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,040
accumulating

2034
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,000
unbelievable amount of of data

2035
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:40,800
i had boxes of stuff of magazines of

2036
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:43,040
books i've got a whole giant library at

2037
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,159
home and all of them which i've read

2038
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,120
i got more into the research but

2039
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:51,120
there were a lot of people along the way

2040
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,560
that were always just saying you know

2041
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:55,280
what check out this website

2042
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,400
and

2043
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,040
i finally decided at one point

2044
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,960
that i needed to put all of it together

2045
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:03,199
i had no idea my first book was going to

2046
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,080
be

2047
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,480
a reference book

2048
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,960
first book i ever wrote in it you know

2049
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:10,800
there was just too much information to

2050
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:12,840
leave everything out anything

2051
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,520
else and i thought it was important too

2052
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:18,080
because if you take a look at it up

2053
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:19,280
there

2054
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,400
not just one sighting

2055
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,480
that i'll put everything that i knew

2056
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,719
that was in that area because i thought

2057
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,400
that it was important to see the

2058
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,719
magnitude of what's going on

2059
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,800
anybody can put something in a book and

2060
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,920
say well there was a sighting in

2061
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:37,120
ketchikan

2062
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,800
well you know okay now there's 30

2063
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,960
sightings in ketchikan or anybody can

2064
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,880
say there's a couple sightings that have

2065
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,040
been uh reported

2066
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:48,239
off of uh cruise ships or military ships

2067
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:50,000
or cargo ships they got a whole chapter

2068
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,040
of that

2069
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,040
and it just goes on and on and on and

2070
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,960
the more i was looking at all of this

2071
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:56,960
information i thought

2072
01:29:02,229 --> 01:29:00,239
wow this this needs to be out so people

2073
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:02,239
can see it and then maybe the next

2074
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:03,679
person

2075
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:06,400
past me will add to it

2076
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:08,080
but you've got to get all of it and

2077
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,760
start somewhere

2078
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:11,840
you know that i had to stop i had to

2079
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:13,679
start somewhere that i had to stop also

2080
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:16,960
i started in april of 2020 and finished

2081
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,520
in august of 2021. i just got to the

2082
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,960
point where i thought i just need to

2083
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:22,080
stop

2084
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,600
right and uh we're gonna uh uh uh go

2085
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:28,080
into a break right here and when we come

2086
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:28,960
back

2087
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:32,320
we're gonna go through uh uh some of uh

2088
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,679
debbie's favorite uh cases and sightings

2089
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:37,440
uh that have been reported we're gonna

2090
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,320
do all of that this is fade to black i

2091
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,400
am your host jimmy church tonight

2092
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:44,239
debbie's eagle meyer the new book is

2093
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:48,320
called the alien colonization of earth's

2094
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,159
waterways tonight it's ufos and usos all

2095
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:54,400
night long on the game changer and on x

2096
01:30:02,520 --> 01:29:56,080
networks i'm your host jimmy church this

2097
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:08,340
[Music]

2098
01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:22,070
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2099
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,220
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2100
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:26,880
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2101
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,960
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2102
01:30:35,570 --> 01:30:30,560
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2104
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,910
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2105
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,000
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2106
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2108
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2109
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2110
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2111
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2112
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2113
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2114
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2115
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2129
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2130
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2135
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2136
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2137
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2138
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2139
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2170
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2171
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2172
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2176
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:44,310
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2177
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:45,840
host jimmy church tonight debbie

2178
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:47,520
zigglemeyer is with us we're talking

2179
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,040
about her new book

2180
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:52,000
the alien colonization of earth's

2181
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,280
waterways

2182
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,880
the links for the book are in the video

2183
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:56,880
description box below we have it up in

2184
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,199
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2185
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,360
website and then tomorrow night micah

2186
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,600
hanks is here i'm going to talk about

2187
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:05,360
chris mellon's new article over at the

2188
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,880
debrief and if you haven't checked that

2189
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,280
out go and read it should be warmed up

2190
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,360
for the show tomorrow night and of

2191
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:14,159
course thursday is open lines all night

2192
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:16,239
long but tonight it's debbie

2193
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:19,360
and uh yeah take us through

2194
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:23,440
of uh some of uh your favorite uh

2195
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,960
sightings and cases that have happened

2196
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,800
uh well you know we've been talking

2197
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,560
about um

2198
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,040
the alien colonization you know why the

2199
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:36,239
alien colonization of earth waterways

2200
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:38,000
and then not only are their craft coming

2201
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:40,000
in and out but some very famous

2202
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,800
sightings that are being more and more

2203
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,199
uh publicized was uh well one of them

2204
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,119
was 1982

2205
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,800
there were

2206
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,360
seven russian divers that were training

2207
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:54,320
165 feet deep in lake macau

2208
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,280
and

2209
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,080
they encountered at 165 feet they

2210
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:00,719
encountered four alien beings and these

2211
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:03,440
were ten foot tall they had on

2212
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,560
some kind of a silvery uh suit

2213
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,639
and i what looked like a helmet but

2214
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:11,199
really no dive gear

2215
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:12,080
well

2216
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,600
naturally you know it shook them up a

2217
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,440
little bit they backed off came to the

2218
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,520
surface and some

2219
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:19,440
brilliant officer decided that maybe

2220
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:20,400
they should go down there and try and

2221
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:21,840
capture one of them

2222
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:23,520
so they went down again a couple days

2223
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,639
later these seven divers and once again

2224
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:28,880
they in same place they encounter these

2225
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,679
four 10-foot tall alien beings they

2226
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:33,760
decided they were going to take a net

2227
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,199
and throw it over one of them and bring

2228
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:36,880
them to the surface and just as two of

2229
01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:39,040
them approached with the net

2230
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:41,119
the the lead alien i think there were

2231
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,040
three to the back one toward the front

2232
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:45,360
put his hand straight out and all seven

2233
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:48,560
divers from 165 feet immediately went at

2234
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:50,960
a high rate of speed to the surface

2235
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:52,639
so uh

2236
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,600
anybody who knows anything about diving

2237
01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:57,040
well

2238
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,800
anybody knows everybody knows that's not

2239
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:00,560
a good thing to happen uh when they got

2240
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:03,119
to the surface naturally all of them

2241
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,119
were severely injured decompression

2242
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,440
sickness which it basically causes your

2243
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,280
blood to boil

2244
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:11,679
they had two decompression chambers

2245
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,800
uh they one of them was broke so they

2246
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:16,719
just let three of the men that were in

2247
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,960
the worst shape just die the other four

2248
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:20,480
they put them all in the decompression

2249
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:23,600
chamber and only one of them survived

2250
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,199
and um from the last i heard you are not

2251
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:29,440
allowed to dive go scuba diving in lake

2252
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:32,880
bacall but there are some were some type

2253
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,520
of 10-foot tall alien beings living

2254
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,119
under there the lake's very unique

2255
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:39,600
because it's got

2256
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,960
fish that are unique to that area um

2257
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,880
i guess there there's um

2258
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,199
that foliage underwater that's unique to

2259
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,800
that area but then also too there's

2260
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:51,199
several stories about

2261
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,080
these divers or these alien beings being

2262
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,239
seen some of them from the surface there

2263
01:38:03,109 --> 01:37:58,960
was a submarine that saw some at 1300

2264
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:03,119
feet one swam by so the waters around

2265
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,480
russia

2266
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:07,119
have 10 foot tall

2267
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,320
alien beings that i have been seen under

2268
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:12,000
there for years

2269
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,189
you know that to me that seems like

2270
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,080
alien colonization if they're down there

2271
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,480
and they've been seen multiple times if

2272
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:24,000
you look up the

2273
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,119
definition of colonization i believe

2274
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,440
it's anybody that takes up residence in

2275
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:31,679
a place for two weeks or longer

2276
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:34,719
right and yeah yeah two weeks or longer

2277
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,239
right uh i've squatted at a few houses

2278
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,159
where i've pulled that off myself but

2279
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:41,920
here's the thing

2280
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:43,199
um

2281
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:45,280
and and we'll continue with uh some

2282
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:46,560
other cases

2283
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:47,520
but

2284
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,480
um do you envision is uh uh uh

2285
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:55,119
a bubble of some kind where there would

2286
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:56,239
be

2287
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,199
uh

2288
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:59,280
you know a city or a town underneath

2289
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,159
that

2290
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,920
or would they be

2291
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,199
you know it

2292
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:06,080
it in below the surface

2293
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,199
of the bottom of these waterways where

2294
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:11,520
there they could live not necessarily in

2295
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:13,520
the water but maybe underneath the

2296
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,360
ground below at the bottom

2297
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,440
you know anything's possible

2298
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:21,440
we try and

2299
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,040
uh rationalize how these beings are

2300
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,360
coming in and out trying to figure out

2301
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,960
okay are they coming through a wormhole

2302
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,840
are they

2303
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:31,119
coming

2304
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,520
through time and dimension are they just

2305
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,600
down there it depends on the species

2306
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
there's so many

2307
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:39,600
there's reports of anywhere between 15

2308
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:42,719
to 160 different types of beings that

2309
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,600
have visited this planet depending on

2310
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:48,239
what type of reference you refer to

2311
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,600
but

2312
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:51,760
i've also got i've read reports where

2313
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:55,119
there was a craft that was a quarter of

2314
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,880
a mile in diameter

2315
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,199
moving un under the water this was in

2316
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,360
the caribbean and it was seen by a

2317
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,199
helicopter above

2318
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,119
so there could be you know all of the

2319
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,840
above there could be some type of craft

2320
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,280
these craft are coming in and out of the

2321
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,199
water the little craft are coming in and

2322
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,960
out of the water where are they going

2323
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,880
you know so these ones that the tic tac

2324
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,639
and all that the tic tac i think is

2325
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,480
fairly big

2326
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:19,920
but they're

2327
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:21,920
who's to say there isn't some kind of a

2328
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,119
of a giant mothership underwater that

2329
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,400
can move around at will if they have to

2330
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,040
obviously i think with these beings in

2331
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:33,280
russia that are swimming around you know

2332
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:36,400
they're not even seen in the same area

2333
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:39,840
so it makes one wonder just

2334
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,679
where are they coming from are they

2335
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:43,600
they're all described as being the same

2336
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,320
they're in different waters in russia

2337
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:48,320
they're swimming around

2338
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:49,840
you know it makes you wonder gee is

2339
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,280
there some type of of city in a you know

2340
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,920
maybe like you said underground deep

2341
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,320
underground an opening that's inside the

2342
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:01,199
earth and they're exiting into the water

2343
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:09,430
i want to get on to your next case but

2344
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,320
there

2345
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,239
um are

2346
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:14,560
there's some chatter out there there are

2347
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,000
reports

2348
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,119
that the navy knows off of the east

2349
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,600
coast exactly

2350
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,000
where one of these bases are and that

2351
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,400
these craft are entering and leaving the

2352
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:28,480
water at the same spot

2353
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,600
and and they know where that location is

2354
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,760
but here's the deal and

2355
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,960
um

2356
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,360
the ocean is so big

2357
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,320
uh uh the waterways i should say are so

2358
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:41,840
big around the world

2359
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:44,480
that anything can do whatever it wants

2360
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:45,360
uh

2361
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,560
entering or leaving

2362
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:49,920
the oceans

2363
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,560
and never be seen by anybody you would

2364
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,400
have to have a boat at the right place

2365
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,800
at the right time with somebody looking

2366
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,280
in that direction at that time in order

2367
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,400
to see something other than that all of

2368
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,719
this is happening without anybody seeing

2369
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:06,800
anything right

2370
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,040
well how long are these beings been

2371
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,480
underwater

2372
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,560
there in and around russia you know

2373
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:14,639
we're just now getting to where we could

2374
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,080
go to depth

2375
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:18,560
so before you know i'm not saying just

2376
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,159
now but you know the last few 20 30 40

2377
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,800
50 years you know with deeper submarines

2378
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,000
there's been submarines there was a

2379
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:28,560
submarine back in uh the civil war the

2380
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:30,400
confederates had a submarine

2381
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,080
but at depth our technology is able to

2382
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,639
detect them now underwater they've

2383
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,159
probably been moving around there for

2384
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,679
centuries i don't know if they haven't

2385
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,159
been here longer than us i think we we

2386
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,080
really don't know all we do is speculate

2387
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:45,920
but we know that there's something in

2388
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,480
and around the waters around russia we

2389
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,320
know that there's something around

2390
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:52,000
catalina island we know there's

2391
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:53,600
something in in

2392
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:56,159
and around puerto rico

2393
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,400
um oh gosh alaska well alaska triangle

2394
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,840
there's things that have been going on

2395
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,880
there

2396
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:04,320
for

2397
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:09,679
william sound there is an awful lot of

2398
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,320
things that are underwater that are sunk

2399
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,880
you know of a lot of um

2400
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:17,040
oh just mysterious things things you

2401
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,360
know mysterious sinking of ships i did

2402
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,800
some research on that and i thought gee

2403
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,880
there's an awful lot

2404
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,520
of ships that go down just as there are

2405
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,360
in the bermuda triangle

2406
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:29,040
for whatever reason

2407
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:30,880
which maybe it's some kind of

2408
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:33,760
electromagnetic field that messes with

2409
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:36,080
technology maybe it's just a rogue wave

2410
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:37,760
we don't really know but it seems like

2411
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,600
there's a lot of bacteria

2412
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,119
activity in certain areas we've got a

2413
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,520
michigan triangle also

2414
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,840
that um there are a lot of things that

2415
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,840
go down in lake michigan and actually

2416
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,000
around the great lakes lake superior too

2417
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,360
lake erie yeah yeah yeah there there's

2418
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,520
and although lake michigan has what

2419
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:57,840
looks like a stone hedge underwater at

2420
01:44:02,550 --> 01:43:59,840
about 40 feet

2421
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,560
so there's a lot that goes on underwater

2422
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,960
um one thing that it just it tickles me

2423
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,639
that when when you

2424
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,000
pull in if you've ever been a cruise

2425
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,480
ship and you pull into cozumel

2426
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,639
and you look off the bow of the ship

2427
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,400
just to the left

2428
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,080
look for bubbles

2429
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,679
people don't know that that's a dive

2430
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,520
site right there there's a plane an

2431
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,840
airplane underwater that they crashed i

2432
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,159
believe it was in the 70s for a movie

2433
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:25,600
and it's still under there and it's one

2434
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,800
of the favorite dive sites but standing

2435
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,960
on the bow of the ship looking down all

2436
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,360
you see is water and this thing is only

2437
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:35,760
about 22 feet deep

2438
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:36,560
so

2439
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:41,199
from people standing on a cruise ship

2440
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,639
can you imagine what is it depth

2441
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,560
and how long it's been there and what

2442
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,960
massive amount could be there

2443
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,800
that we don't know about we're not able

2444
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:53,040
to access these trenches

2445
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,719
and if we are it's not for any

2446
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,800
reasonable amount of time yeah that's

2447
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,080
right that's right

2448
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,109
my next case

2449
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:05,679
uh we've got something uh in missouri

2450
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,080
our waterways we've got some interesting

2451
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,480
things i've got a group of very good

2452
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,080
investigators that have been helping me

2453
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:14,320
since 2018

2454
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:17,440
uh we're investigating um a river and i

2455
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,480
would at this point not rather not say

2456
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,880
which one even though we have three or

2457
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,560
three major rivers

2458
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:26,159
in missouri

2459
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:28,320
a lot of activity going around

2460
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:29,600
we're at

2461
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:32,800
oh gosh probably about

2462
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:35,199
over a dozen witnesses five different

2463
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,639
areas

2464
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:38,320
all within

2465
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:41,440
probably 10 miles

2466
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:43,360
and it's still under investigation but

2467
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:45,119
there's something coming in and out of

2468
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,679
our waterways here in missouri

2469
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,239
a very active area we did some research

2470
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,800
on it found out that if you go

2471
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:54,639
missouri's the cave state

2472
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,719
and if you go underwater in missouri and

2473
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,880
there you could theoretically you could

2474
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,639
travel anywhere you wanted missouri and

2475
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,320
state would never have to surface

2476
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,000
underwater between

2477
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,719
lakes and rivers and streams and

2478
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,679
you know

2479
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,360
some of it i mean it would be very

2480
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,840
difficult for us to do

2481
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,000
but it is possible

2482
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,719
and i i believe that there's something

2483
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,639
coming in and out of the waters this all

2484
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,159
started back at

2485
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:24,960
actually uh clearwater lake in the 19

2486
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,040
mid mid-1970s

2487
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,880
they had a craft

2488
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:30,159
that was uh

2489
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,600
gene coleman

2490
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:33,360
was was one of the ladies that spotted

2491
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,719
this craft that was hovering over

2492
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,800
clearwater lake

2493
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:39,280
so um the whole piedmont area was very

2494
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,800
famous for that it was so famous for

2495
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,800
that that walter cronkite went out there

2496
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,960
and investigated

2497
01:46:49,550 --> 01:46:46,639
now

2498
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:49,560
you've been looking into this since uh

2499
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,400
2018 uh with this team what kind of

2500
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,119
craft are they seeing there

2501
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:57,199
wer you know

2502
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:59,440
uh the witnesses said that they've seen

2503
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,400
um

2504
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:02,960
a a saucer shaped craft

2505
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:05,840
that's not all that big maybe five six

2506
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,800
feet

2507
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:08,880
in diameter two three witnesses seen

2508
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:09,760
that

2509
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:11,760
moving in and out of the trees

2510
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,440
we've recently had in the same area now

2511
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:17,679
somebody just reported that there was a

2512
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,320
bigfoot sighting in the area we had

2513
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,639
found evidence of that before

2514
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:25,040
there's balls of light strange balls of

2515
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,800
light we just can't

2516
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,560
figure out what they are we've we've

2517
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:30,880
done a lot of research we have

2518
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:33,360
our researcher mel is just phenomenal he

2519
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:36,320
has narrowed down water airplanes and

2520
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,280
what

2521
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:39,840
um our unidentified lights because we've

2522
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:41,600
got these great cameras now we've got

2523
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:43,600
military-grade night vision

2524
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,520
that several of us have been out there

2525
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:48,000
with these cameras and picked up things

2526
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:49,040
there's a lot of that there was

2527
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,159
something in the water um i saw this

2528
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,440
uh

2529
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,679
look like glows in the water one witness

2530
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:57,360
well actually three or four of the

2531
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:58,800
witnesses had said it but there was this

2532
01:48:01,430 --> 01:48:00,560
glow underwater

2533
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:01,440
and

2534
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,480
i i got video of it it got it got

2535
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,199
smaller and smaller and smaller and then

2536
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,840
it turned into a metallic spear about

2537
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:12,239
the size of a grapefruit and then it

2538
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,679
flashed and then it was a glow of water

2539
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:14,719
again

2540
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,239
so

2541
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,119
that was uh you gotta have a good camera

2542
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,840
you shot video of this

2543
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:23,920
i did but that was before i had the good

2544
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,199
camera so all you can see is the glow

2545
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,600
um you couldn't see the spear if i had

2546
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,360
the camera you know that i i got a

2547
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,199
camera for christmas and then went back

2548
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,920
and hadn't seen it again but i they they

2549
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,600
did say there's this glow and sure

2550
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:39,440
enough there it was

2551
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,400
uh

2552
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,080
so they they said there's some kind of

2553
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:44,239
creatures that move around

2554
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,840
we have no idea what is going on in and

2555
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,840
around this area but we know that

2556
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,600
there's been

2557
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,840
four witnesses four different locations

2558
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,920
and then a fifth witness at the same

2559
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,080
location but

2560
01:49:01,590 --> 01:49:00,480
it's just strange things that are going

2561
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:01,600
on

2562
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,800
in this area that we just can't

2563
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:05,920
um

2564
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,560
we we well we just can't identify it's

2565
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:10,960
just it's something that

2566
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,599
mostly the balls of light and

2567
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:15,599
we're trying to come up with different

2568
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,520
reason reasoning behind it i mean we

2569
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,040
know where the k-state we know that we

2570
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,280
have lead we've thought that maybe this

2571
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,520
has something to do with the

2572
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:26,159
radiation or we we can't explain it but

2573
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,760
not the way that these things are moving

2574
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,280
in and around

2575
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,159
so we don't want to give away the area

2576
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,480
exactly because if we do then you get

2577
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,239
somebody out there that did the same

2578
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,040
thing when we had a a light that was

2579
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,199
over the top of the gateway arch

2580
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:42,880
and it was

2581
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,440
there just it wasn't a star it was

2582
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,960
something that was just over the top of

2583
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:49,360
the gateway arch a few years ago

2584
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:50,800
and then we had right after that we had

2585
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:53,199
some some guy with a

2586
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:54,159
drone

2587
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,239
circling around the area and then trying

2588
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,639
to go up and above the arch which it's a

2589
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,800
you know it's a federal monument so

2590
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,320
that's illegal

2591
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:03,920
but then you always get somebody that

2592
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:05,840
wants to go over there and play around

2593
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,599
with the area and try and um

2594
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,840
i don't know try either debunk it or

2595
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:13,360
think that they're going to be cute you

2596
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:14,800
know and trick us up which that's really

2597
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,000
hard to do i have a great team of people

2598
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:20,639
now we're still investigating it yeah i

2599
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:24,800
always uh circle back to uh one of the

2600
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:28,480
uh one of the great historical cases um

2601
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:30,480
and that's shag harbor

2602
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:33,920
and not only because of its uso aspect

2603
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,639
to it um in the military and the police

2604
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,560
and the eyewitnesses and the civilian

2605
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,000
aspect to it

2606
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,719
um and how long uh

2607
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:44,639
that event happened

2608
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,920
but it's probably canada's most fa it's

2609
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:50,159
it's their roswell right it's their

2610
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,840
randall

2611
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:53,040
um

2612
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:54,960
let's talk about shag harbor for a

2613
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,000
second

2614
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:58,800
um if we're talking about a uso case

2615
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:01,599
that's the one that is probably the most

2616
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:03,440
documented right

2617
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,159
oh yeah i know chris styles and he's

2618
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,560
in fact i'm i was supposed to speak um

2619
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:10,159
at their conference

2620
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:11,119
the

2621
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,639
and it keeps getting put off hopefully

2622
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:18,159
they'll still have a conference there in

2623
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,679
shag harbor

2624
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:21,599
that was a great case you know you had

2625
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:24,639
this craft that crashed into the water

2626
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,760
and it left some kind of a yellow foam

2627
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:28,880
on the top of the water everybody

2628
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:31,520
thought it was a plane that had crashed

2629
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,320
and

2630
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:34,560
the way that um

2631
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:36,320
you know i started thinking about it and

2632
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,920
i thought why would this craft just

2633
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:39,520
crash into the water this could have

2634
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:41,440
been some crap that just happened to be

2635
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,400
going by our planet and had some kind of

2636
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,480
mechanical problems and

2637
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:49,040
decided you know what better place to

2638
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,560
hide than in the water

2639
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:52,320
went into the water i believe it moved

2640
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,520
um

2641
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,280
uh when it first hit i believe it moved

2642
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,440
about 26 miles

2643
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,119
uh north

2644
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:01,520
uh then another craft after a few days

2645
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:02,639
joined it

2646
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,599
the military watched that for a couple i

2647
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,679
think for about a week until a russian

2648
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:09,199
submarine showed up

2649
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,599
and then the craft just

2650
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,199
left the water and took off at a high

2651
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:15,520
rate of speed into the air

2652
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:16,480
um

2653
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,760
shag harbor what was that was uh

2654
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:21,199
and here's the

2655
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:21,920
and

2656
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,679
talking about these other cases

2657
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,880
um

2658
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:28,159
the

2659
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:40,080
you said for over 20 miles

2660
01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:42,639
witnessed from the shore

2661
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,599
and and and going through the water and

2662
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,679
then stopping

2663
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:48,880
uh

2664
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:53,440
you know right there from the harbor in

2665
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:54,639
shag harbor

2666
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:58,400
uh uh went out collected the the foam

2667
01:53:02,709 --> 01:52:59,920
right that you're talking about they

2668
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:02,719
could see what was going on underneath

2669
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:05,520
um this isn't something that was

2670
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:09,040
uh an imagination thing this wasn't some

2671
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,920
some fantasy this this was witnessed by

2672
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:13,760
the town wasn't it

2673
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:17,199
oh yeah this was october 4th 1967 it was

2674
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:20,159
a 11 20 at night it started out i think

2675
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,440
11 teenagers saw it at the beginning but

2676
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,280
multiple people saw it

2677
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,920
they had the uh the canadian i guess it

2678
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,000
would be the canadian coast guard

2679
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,639
was out there from halifax

2680
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:34,719
uh they had both before they could get

2681
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,280
out there they had private boats that

2682
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:39,360
went out there trying to rescue because

2683
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,480
they thought it was a plane that went

2684
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:43,440
down right um what they didn't do though

2685
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:45,280
i don't believe they collected any of

2686
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,920
this this yellow foam not that we know

2687
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:50,400
of i think they just

2688
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,239
you know which is really a shame i think

2689
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,320
chris styles uh he did some great

2690
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:58,080
research on that in fact he's still

2691
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,599
researching that he's still finding

2692
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:01,360
witnesses today

2693
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:02,719
that

2694
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,000
happened

2695
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:07,840
but i'd love to have some of that foam

2696
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,040
and find out

2697
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:11,040
what exactly it was and then you know

2698
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:12,880
you're thinking too you know this

2699
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,119
dissipated into the water you know i

2700
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:17,360
never really heard any reports of fish

2701
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,960
dying in the area

2702
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:21,360
but i thought it was interesting that

2703
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,440
they stuck around for a while you know

2704
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,520
that they didn't just this one craft had

2705
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:27,760
a second craft that came

2706
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,440
and i heard different reports about how

2707
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:32,000
there were divers under there that were

2708
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:33,679
watching what was going on that they

2709
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,960
were actually repairing the one ship

2710
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,840
and then

2711
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,280
you know when the russians showed up i

2712
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,320
guess they had fixed it well enough but

2713
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,159
i just thought it was an interesting

2714
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:47,280
case because this craft just

2715
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,119
comes right you know right into the area

2716
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,800
and right into the water

2717
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:53,440
and crashes there so i do think that it

2718
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,199
probably had some type of mechanical

2719
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,719
problems and

2720
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:59,360
decided that was a place to go yeah and

2721
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,159
the witnesses did contact help that's

2722
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:04,719
right the witnesses saw the second craft

2723
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:07,599
uh it arrived what looked like repair

2724
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:10,080
work uh was going on under under the

2725
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,119
water uh you had the uh the royal manor

2726
01:55:17,830 --> 01:55:15,599
police right the canadians the mounties

2727
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,840
were there there were reports that the

2728
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:19,920
united states air force and united

2729
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,560
states uniformed military personnel were

2730
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,119
on station they had uh

2731
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,040
the news and the media

2732
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:29,360
uh was also there

2733
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:33,199
um and everybody this lasted the entire

2734
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,800
event was seven or eight days long

2735
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,480
yeah and then which i thought was

2736
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,960
interesting too this is canadian water

2737
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:42,560
you know but there happened to be i

2738
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,159
believe there was a an american base

2739
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:49,280
in the area and that was close to where

2740
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,960
these craft ended up

2741
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,760
and so naturally you know the americans

2742
01:55:56,870 --> 01:55:55,920
joined with the canadians investigating

2743
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,880
this

2744
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,560
they tried to keep it quiet but too many

2745
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:01,920
people saw it uh chris styles i i can't

2746
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:03,199
remember the name of the other gentleman

2747
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,480
that wrote the book along with them but

2748
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,199
they have a fantastic book that talks

2749
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:09,920
about the whole incident yeah and and uh

2750
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:11,679
before we head to the break how old was

2751
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:14,800
chris when the event happened oh gee i

2752
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:17,440
don't know wasn't he like

2753
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,199
yeah i know i know he's great he was

2754
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,520
like 12 or something you know he's a

2755
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:23,440
bona fide witness

2756
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:24,400
uh-huh

2757
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,760
absolutely

2758
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,599
that's a very good case that's uh

2759
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,520
canadians roswell

2760
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:32,239
um yeah no question about it they made a

2761
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:33,920
coin by the way

2762
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:36,080
they made a shag harbor yeah they made a

2763
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,239
shag harbor official

2764
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:40,080
uh canadian coin

2765
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:41,679
as we head to the break what's the next

2766
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:45,040
case that you would like to discuss

2767
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:49,520
oh gee i don't know

2768
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:51,520
there's so many of them i'm

2769
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:54,320
i'm not sure where to start uh something

2770
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:55,280
uh

2771
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:57,520
international or whatever you would like

2772
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:58,159
to

2773
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:00,800
i want the ones that you

2774
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,360
are fascinated with

2775
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,599
i am fascinated with

2776
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:07,199
oh my gosh

2777
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:09,040
um

2778
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:14,480
a navy ship

2779
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,400
there was there were some some of the

2780
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,400
sightings off of navy ships

2781
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,119
uh and which one is that uh you can warm

2782
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:23,119
us up and we'll pick it up after the

2783
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:25,040
break

2784
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:25,920
oh

2785
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:26,880
gosh

2786
01:57:30,709 --> 01:57:28,480
um

2787
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:30,719
off of the top of my head i don't know

2788
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:32,719
um okay well the other one that i want

2789
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:36,480
to talk about uh is is of course turkey

2790
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:37,360
and

2791
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:44,880
that's that was probably well it was

2792
01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:46,239
shot over

2793
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,159
a year but

2794
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,360
i watched eight hours of video

2795
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:54,000
of that and

2796
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,440
and you can apparently see

2797
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:59,599
a being's face

2798
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:00,800
right

2799
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,520
looking out the window in in in that

2800
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:05,760
video and i watched it forever and i

2801
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:07,440
think that's one of the most fascinating

2802
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:08,560
cases

2803
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:11,760
um that occurred over water maybe maybe

2804
01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:16,870
wow

2805
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,800
you know i think john

2806
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:22,800
or was it uh

2807
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:26,239
was it the doctor dr roger leer yeah

2808
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:28,159
roger

2809
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:29,440
that one

2810
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:33,360
somehow how did i miss i have to do some

2811
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:38,709
i told you i had to quit at one point i

2812
01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:41,040
had so much in here i concentrated a lot

2813
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:44,560
on on russia and the caribbean and

2814
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:46,239
yes turkey but you know what i have to

2815
01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:49,599
go back as i i've been uh read over

2816
01:58:55,589 --> 01:58:52,960
gosh over 9000 cases so that's probably

2817
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:55,599
in the archives well yeah i want to go

2818
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:57,840
through some of these cases when we come

2819
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back

2820
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2821
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2822
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2823
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2824
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2825
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2826
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2827
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2847
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2848
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2860
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2861
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2862
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2864
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2865
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2866
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2869
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2870
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2871
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2877
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2878
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2879
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2880
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:37,040
when you're in the house for longer

2881
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:40,080
periods of time you can see them flying

2882
02:01:44,229 --> 02:01:42,480
or running across the floor

2883
02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:44,239
ooh yuck

2884
02:01:51,750 --> 02:01:47,520
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2885
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:51,760
bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

2886
02:01:56,950 --> 02:01:54,880
but occasionally bugs show up well i

2887
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:56,960
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2888
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2889
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2890
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2891
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2892
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2893
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2894
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2895
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2896
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2897
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2898
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2899
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2900
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2901
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2903
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2904
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2922
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2925
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2926
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:52,400
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2927
02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:01,030
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2928
02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:04,860
on the game changer radio network

2929
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:19,750
welcome back fade to black i am your

2930
02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:21,199
host jimmy church tonight debbie

2931
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,199
zieglemeyer is with us

2932
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:25,920
her new book is the alien colonization

2933
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:28,239
of earth's waterways

2934
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:30,239
and uh

2935
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,040
i'm i'm looking at uh the sandbox and

2936
02:04:37,430 --> 02:04:35,440
the feed coming in and the the images

2937
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:37,440
that everybody is posting of uh the

2938
02:04:42,790 --> 02:04:38,639
turkish

2939
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:42,800
uh ufo video and i still i i i look at

2940
02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:44,800
this and thank you everybody for

2941
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:46,719
everybody's on top of this

2942
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:49,760
i still freak out i spent

2943
02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:50,840
so many

2944
02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:55,599
hours uh looking at this video and that

2945
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:58,239
that does look like something

2946
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:00,000
maybe two

2947
02:05:06,069 --> 02:05:04,320
little uh little e.t alien gray faces uh

2948
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:06,079
look at i think even in the video you

2949
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:08,320
can kind of see him move around

2950
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:11,199
a little bit but those videos uh are

2951
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:14,400
just absolutely amazing and i i i still

2952
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:16,239
don't know what to make of it but that

2953
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:19,360
looks like a ship to me uh no doubt

2954
02:05:21,990 --> 02:05:20,400
um

2955
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:22,000
our guest tonight debbie zieglemeier

2956
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:23,520
thank you everybody in the sandbox for

2957
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,199
posting those pictures i haven't seen

2958
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:27,920
them in a long time and it just uh

2959
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:30,800
brings back memories okay the book is

2960
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,599
the alien colonization of earth's

2961
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,199
waterways and we're going through some

2962
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:37,520
of these cases uh what have you got for

2963
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:39,679
us next debbie

2964
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:42,320
you know my mind went blank the one of

2965
02:05:47,589 --> 02:05:45,520
the most famous uh battle of los angeles

2966
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:47,599
uh that was february

2967
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:51,119
25th 1942 about 2 30 in the morning

2968
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:53,599
and you know this was over the harbor

2969
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,400
there in san pedro california they call

2970
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:58,320
it battle los angeles

2971
02:06:03,109 --> 02:06:00,400
but um that made all the major

2972
02:06:06,109 --> 02:06:03,119
newspapers there was this thing that was

2973
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:06,119
in the sky i believe it was about

2974
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:07,840
1400

2975
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:10,239
different um shells

2976
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,800
uh where were shot at this i mean

2977
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:14,800
they shot at this thing

2978
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:16,800
trying to take it down later on they

2979
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:18,480
tried to say well they thought it was a

2980
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:19,840
balloon

2981
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,520
but you could even look in the the

2982
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:23,840
newspaper articles i found new uh

2983
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,880
newspaper articles with pictures and

2984
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:28,880
some of the witness reports and you can

2985
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:31,280
clearly see what looks like

2986
02:06:33,510 --> 02:06:32,719
an oval

2987
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:33,520
type

2988
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:34,480
shape

2989
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,880
and all these spotlights are bouncing

2990
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:38,239
off of it

2991
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:40,960
so if this was a balloon they would have

2992
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:43,360
taken it down for one and for another

2993
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,040
they said well maybe it was just a

2994
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:47,280
reflection but the lights bouncing off

2995
02:06:51,669 --> 02:06:49,679
of it so it's obviously something is

2996
02:06:54,030 --> 02:06:51,679
there and of course you know

2997
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:54,040
uh um being that you know that

2998
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:57,520
1942 you know everybody's worried about

2999
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:58,960
you know world war ii they're worried

3000
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,560
about invasions

3001
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:02,320
uh

3002
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:04,560
the the they should well five people

3003
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:05,520
died

3004
02:07:11,430 --> 02:07:07,119
during this i think one had a heart

3005
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:13,109
was coming down they destroyed i don't

3006
02:07:16,229 --> 02:07:14,560
know how many

3007
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,239
thousands and thousands of dollars worth

3008
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:17,920
of damage was done from the you know

3009
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:19,040
from

3010
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,639
shooting at this thing so i thought

3011
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:24,880
that's the very interesting case

3012
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:27,760
and uh they tried to just just say well

3013
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,159
you know it was nothing but they had

3014
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:32,159
people that were panicked you know

3015
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:34,159
they're waking people up at 2 30 in the

3016
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:36,560
morning you know with all this firing

3017
02:07:40,629 --> 02:07:38,639
going on people thought the war had been

3018
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:40,639
brought to the united states

3019
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,440
yeah it went from uh

3020
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:44,880
long beach

3021
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:45,920
uh

3022
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:49,760
san pedro area up to santa monica up the

3023
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:51,040
coastline

3024
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:54,480
uh they shot at it all night long

3025
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:57,119
we had all of our air defense systems

3026
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:59,199
you know in and around los angeles of

3027
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:01,040
course everybody was on a high alert

3028
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:02,960
because of japan

3029
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:04,000
and

3030
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:07,040
they illuminated this thing

3031
02:08:10,629 --> 02:08:09,440
and and tried to bring it down and

3032
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,639
couldn't

3033
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,560
uh and you're right they shot between

3034
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:14,639
twelve and fourteen hundred annie

3035
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:17,760
aircraft shells uh all night long

3036
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:20,400
and it stayed there and it was

3037
02:08:24,790 --> 02:08:22,480
illuminated um all night long by

3038
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:24,800
spotlights up and down the coast uh

3039
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:26,639
something was there and you know what

3040
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,760
and we never did find out

3041
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,239
what it was

3042
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:34,719
well a lot of that i think had to do

3043
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:38,239
with the time you know it was

3044
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,079
world war ii

3045
02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:42,560
people were very patriotic if they the

3046
02:08:46,149 --> 02:08:44,639
government said don't ask any questions

3047
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:46,159
you don't ask

3048
02:08:52,709 --> 02:08:50,800
everybody trusted that they um were

3049
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:52,719
being taken care of in their own best

3050
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:54,000
interest

3051
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:56,719
so uh it seems like we question things a

3052
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,040
little bit more now

3053
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:01,119
than we used to

3054
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:02,880
but uh no there's never been any

3055
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:05,280
explanation um i've wondered i mean it's

3056
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:07,440
been since 1942 it seems like freedom of

3057
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:08,880
information act we should have had

3058
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:11,440
something on that by now right right but

3059
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,639
there are pen plenty of paper clippings

3060
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:17,040
headlines about that so that was a very

3061
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,719
interesting one

3062
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:21,119
and the next case

3063
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:22,800
uh well you know i i didn't think i

3064
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:25,119
forgot about that one too it was um

3065
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:28,880
past pascagoula mississippi october 11th

3066
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:31,360
of 1973. and this is a two

3067
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,639
uh it was a foreman and his um

3068
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:36,079
one of his workers they were they both

3069
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:37,840
went fishing and they walked down the

3070
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:39,599
dock to go fishing

3071
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:40,719
and

3072
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,000
they um this craft appeared this craft

3073
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:46,480
appeared these aliens floated out of the

3074
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:48,960
craft over the water

3075
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:50,639
uh grabbed them from underneath their

3076
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:53,760
arms and then floated them back into the

3077
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:55,199
craft

3078
02:10:02,069 --> 02:09:58,560
uh the uh the older gentleman he let's

3079
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:02,079
see uh there was a charles hickson yeah

3080
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:05,599
charles dixon and calvin parker yes yeah

3081
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:07,599
and calvin parker calvin i believe was

3082
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:10,880
18 and charles i believe was 45 i

3083
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:13,119
believe um

3084
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:17,920
and so uh charles he um he never would

3085
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:19,280
didn't want to talk about it he didn't

3086
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:21,760
want to admit what had happened later on

3087
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:23,840
i think calvin parker he had a special

3088
02:10:27,589 --> 02:10:25,920
not too long ago on one of those history

3089
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:27,599
channels or something talking about what

3090
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:30,400
happened but they were both

3091
02:10:36,390 --> 02:10:33,119
given some kind of an examination

3092
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:36,400
when they came back um they

3093
02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:39,520
i believe uh at first i believe the

3094
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:42,400
younger one didn't remember anything

3095
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:45,280
um charles might have

3096
02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:47,599
but the interesting thing about it was

3097
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:50,639
this was witnessed on the other side of

3098
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:52,079
of they were kind of like in a little

3099
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:54,320
bay area on the other side there was a

3100
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:57,199
family that was driving and the the the

3101
02:11:01,589 --> 02:10:59,440
family saw this happen

3102
02:11:03,589 --> 02:11:01,599
they saw this craft come they saw these

3103
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:03,599
people float into it and then be put

3104
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:04,960
back

3105
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:06,079
so uh

3106
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:07,599
that that's

3107
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:09,520
that was even that made the newspapers

3108
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:12,320
uh that was a huge case

3109
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:13,679
it was i mean

3110
02:11:17,109 --> 02:11:15,440
and that you know when things actually

3111
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:17,119
make the use the newspaper i think it

3112
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:19,520
was called a let's see uh oh it was a

3113
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:21,440
newspaper article called creatures took

3114
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,880
them aboard ufo two in mississippi say

3115
02:11:28,149 --> 02:11:26,400
you know you just don't see things like

3116
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:28,159
that in the newspaper unless you have

3117
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:29,679
several witnesses

3118
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:30,560
well

3119
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:31,360
the

3120
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:32,480
uh

3121
02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:33,520
calvin

3122
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:34,880
uh

3123
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:36,960
that was one of my favorite shows that

3124
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:39,599
i've done uh with calvin here

3125
02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:41,360
and but there's

3126
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:42,639
uh

3127
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:44,159
for me

3128
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,079
the case itself is extraordinary but

3129
02:11:52,870 --> 02:11:50,800
uh when uh calvin

3130
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:52,880
when park and hixson were at the police

3131
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:55,360
department and in the interrogation room

3132
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:57,119
whatever you want to call it they're

3133
02:12:01,990 --> 02:11:59,760
left by themselves but it's recorded

3134
02:12:03,030 --> 02:12:02,000
and their conversation between the two

3135
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:03,040
of them

3136
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:05,440
talking about the case and

3137
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:06,880
do they

3138
02:12:12,390 --> 02:12:10,239
really want to discuss this with the

3139
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:12,400
police is this something that you know

3140
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:16,800
and and they're going over this uh

3141
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:19,599
alone without anybody else there and

3142
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:22,000
that conversation that they had

3143
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:24,159
between the two of them is probably the

3144
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:26,960
most important evidence of all of it yes

3145
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:29,280
there were the other eyewitnesses and

3146
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:31,440
uh other evidence has been brought

3147
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:34,639
forward over the years but it's that

3148
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:38,000
uh conversation between hixson and and

3149
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:39,599
and calvin parker

3150
02:12:43,189 --> 02:12:41,360
that i think is the strongest part of

3151
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:43,199
this uh event

3152
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:47,119
extraordinary case extraordinary

3153
02:12:52,229 --> 02:12:50,480
yeah yeah i mean that that's

3154
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:52,239
you know to have other witnesses too i

3155
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:53,760
mean there was no reason for these two

3156
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,159
to make this up either you know they

3157
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,639
were they were just trying to fish and

3158
02:13:02,790 --> 02:13:01,119
then this this just happens you know of

3159
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,800
the out of the clear blue which you know

3160
02:13:06,149 --> 02:13:04,560
another one too that that we haven't

3161
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:06,159
talked about but the same time was uh

3162
02:13:11,109 --> 02:13:08,880
1987 it was gulf breeze

3163
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:11,119
you know there was a lot that went on in

3164
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:14,840
gulf breeze and i was surprised

3165
02:13:21,350 --> 02:13:18,800
that so many people tried to debunk that

3166
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:21,360
and those sightings went on and on and

3167
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:24,560
on and on it wasn't just the one

3168
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:27,280
and the the uh the gentleman one of the

3169
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:29,280
gentlemen that originally had the

3170
02:13:32,229 --> 02:13:31,119
sighting i remember its name off the top

3171
02:13:35,830 --> 02:13:32,239
of my head

3172
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:35,840
he made a replica of what he saw and

3173
02:13:39,830 --> 02:13:37,520
then once they saw that they tried to

3174
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:39,840
say that he just faked

3175
02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:42,159
his pictures and hung this thing up but

3176
02:13:45,189 --> 02:13:44,000
there were so many witnesses and this

3177
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:45,199
went on

3178
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:48,159
i mean i you know i i started

3179
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:49,920
documenting the reports and it just went

3180
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:52,320
on and on and on and on and on so many

3181
02:13:55,910 --> 02:13:53,199
people

3182
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,920
had seen this and so many different

3183
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:57,599
i mean well there was one i think i

3184
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:00,159
think it started um

3185
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:03,040
there were sightings oh gosh in

3186
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:04,400
january

3187
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:06,880
of uh of of 87

3188
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:10,880
june july august october november i mean

3189
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:19,189
craft yeah i remember in 1987

3190
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:21,360
i was in pasadena

3191
02:14:26,310 --> 02:14:24,320
and i don't i don't know i'd seen

3192
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:26,320
multiple things in the media but i don't

3193
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:28,480
know if it was time magazine

3194
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:31,040
the cover of the la times whatever what

3195
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,360
there was a color photograph

3196
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:35,040
that was right there

3197
02:14:40,629 --> 02:14:36,159
and

3198
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,639
looking at this image

3199
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:42,800
and i i just couldn't believe what i was

3200
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:43,920
seeing

3201
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:44,800
and

3202
02:14:52,629 --> 02:14:49,599
for most of us today in 1987 now is this

3203
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:52,639
was 35 years ago right it's it's it's

3204
02:14:58,629 --> 02:14:55,520
quite a while ago and

3205
02:15:01,510 --> 02:14:58,639
most don't remember gulf breeze

3206
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:01,520
and how that took over the united states

3207
02:15:09,270 --> 02:15:06,719
i mean that was really a big media event

3208
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:09,280
oh absolutely and um

3209
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:10,800
of course you're gonna have people out

3210
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:12,400
there that are trying to debunk it but

3211
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:14,960
that was it was a there's been several

3212
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:17,360
books written about that

3213
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:19,520
and uh

3214
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:22,639
i don't know you can't you could only

3215
02:15:27,750 --> 02:15:26,239
try and and discredit somebody

3216
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:27,760
for so long and then it just finally

3217
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:30,960
gets to the point of where you know

3218
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:33,599
it's it's just uh um

3219
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:34,840
it's not it's

3220
02:15:39,430 --> 02:15:37,520
not um um

3221
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:39,440
oh i don't know it it

3222
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:40,400
people aren't going to believe you

3223
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:42,239
anymore you know you can try and

3224
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:43,920
discredit somebody over and over and

3225
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:45,280
over again and then you have witness

3226
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:46,639
after witness after witness after

3227
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:47,679
witness

3228
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,360
and then after a while you say that you

3229
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:50,880
know this had to have happened there had

3230
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,239
to have been something there that was

3231
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:55,119
seen and the area is still very active i

3232
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,280
found a lot of reports in that area

3233
02:16:01,830 --> 02:15:59,920
still even today

3234
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:01,840
things going on in that area for

3235
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:03,360
whatever reason

3236
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:04,880
there's well it's right there by the

3237
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:07,679
caribbean it's part of that area of

3238
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:09,920
bermuda triangle also

3239
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:12,560
now is is is

3240
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,440
is it now changing is the atmosphere

3241
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,119
changing

3242
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:19,760
not only the way that the media's is is

3243
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,599
approaching this subject now but of

3244
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,679
course we have what's going on in

3245
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:25,520
washington and you brought up blue

3246
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:27,440
elizondo earlier

3247
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:30,239
is is it now changing where you can

3248
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:32,960
start to talk about this and

3249
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:33,920
and

3250
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,399
uh get these reports out in the public

3251
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,800
is it easier is it is it a brave new

3252
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:40,479
world

3253
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:43,200
i think it depends on the age

3254
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:44,880
uh people

3255
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:48,080
anywhere from oh let's say

3256
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:50,559
45 and older yes

3257
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:51,760
they

3258
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:53,840
most of the people that i've talked to

3259
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,359
have acknowledged that there is somebody

3260
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:59,599
on this planet been visit visiting this

3261
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:01,200
planet that something's been going on

3262
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:02,880
for centuries

3263
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:05,439
i spoke with some people um i happened

3264
02:17:10,549 --> 02:17:08,399
to be at a library speaking one time

3265
02:17:13,910 --> 02:17:10,559
and it seemed like the ones in their 20s

3266
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:13,920
and their 30s they came out of curiosity

3267
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:15,679
but they had a fear

3268
02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:16,639
and it just

3269
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:18,559
took me back a little bit i thought why

3270
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:19,920
are you afraid they said i don't want to

3271
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:21,359
hear that i don't want to hear that at

3272
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,160
all

3273
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:24,880
but then you get somebody that's younger

3274
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:29,589
anywhere from

3275
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:32,960
four five six years old on up you know

3276
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:36,160
until you get to maybe your 20s or 30s

3277
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:38,719
and they're desensitized

3278
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:40,719
so maybe there's that one section in

3279
02:17:44,309 --> 02:17:42,960
between that are not for whatever reason

3280
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:44,319
or maybe i just

3281
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:45,599
encountered

3282
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,000
people that you know just coincidentally

3283
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:50,160
but little kids have been desensitized

3284
02:17:55,830 --> 02:17:52,399
there's been so many cartoons

3285
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:55,840
uh the uh it made my my

3286
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:58,319
daughter-in-law mad that

3287
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:00,719
the third word that my granddaughter

3288
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,880
ever said was alien

3289
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:05,200
the first one was daddy the second one

3290
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:07,599
was bottle and then she walked over and

3291
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:10,240
she handed me a little rubber alien and

3292
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:14,639
said alien she said that before mama so

3293
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:15,840
uh

3294
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:17,920
they don't um

3295
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:19,359
they they don't

3296
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:21,359
have a fear

3297
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:23,599
if you talk to children anymore and you

3298
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,960
talk about alien life forms

3299
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:28,800
they've just acknowledged that they do

3300
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:29,840
exist

3301
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:33,200
and there there isn't any type of a fear

3302
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,639
maybe because they've been on cereal

3303
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:36,800
boxes we've had so many tv shows you

3304
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,080
look at all the little these little

3305
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:41,120
emojis of aliens

3306
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:43,120
what for halloween i had the best time

3307
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:45,679
here i decorated the outside of my house

3308
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,399
in aliens i had a satellite dish i put

3309
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:50,639
lights on put it up on the trees and

3310
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:53,359
instead of candy i had handed out little

3311
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:56,080
18-inch inflatable aliens to all the

3312
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:57,359
kids so i had all the kids running

3313
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:58,800
around the neighborhood with the holding

3314
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,639
these little aliens and one hand of

3315
02:19:03,910 --> 02:19:02,399
their candy in the other

3316
02:19:06,150 --> 02:19:03,920
and they all thought it was great the

3317
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:06,160
parents left they thought it was it was

3318
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:08,880
a good time so things i i think you are

3319
02:19:11,830 --> 02:19:10,800
you're right that things have changed a

3320
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:11,840
lot

3321
02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:14,639
yeah i i think uh most part it's funny

3322
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:17,280
that you bring that up because and i i

3323
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,519
talked about this on the show

3324
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:21,439
when you go through

3325
02:19:25,589 --> 02:19:23,760
uh halloween night and you're looking at

3326
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:25,599
the costumes you're making mental notes

3327
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:27,280
you know what's the trend this year

3328
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:28,639
right and you're

3329
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:32,319
uh it used to be the screen mask and and

3330
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:35,519
you've got your your disney characters

3331
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:38,080
and your princesses and and things

3332
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:39,200
um

3333
02:19:43,589 --> 02:19:41,840
the the last few years

3334
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:43,599
it's been aliens

3335
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:46,960
that's that's that's the halloween

3336
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:47,599
uh costume

3337
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:50,880
i i i found that totally fascinating now

3338
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:52,000
with um

3339
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:53,600
uh uh

3340
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,479
as the state director of of mufon for

3341
02:20:02,870 --> 02:19:58,479
missouri

3342
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:02,880
uh do you see the reports come in and

3343
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:06,640
what is being uh seen in the skies over

3344
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,960
missouri and are you starting to feel

3345
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:11,680
that there is one trend one type of

3346
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:15,200
craft that is that has been seen

3347
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:16,640
we have

3348
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:20,479
um

3349
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:22,479
in the

3350
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:25,120
area in and around

3351
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:28,240
uh it would be a jefferson barracks

3352
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,040
which is just a little bit south of st

3353
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,920
louis right off of the mississippi river

3354
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:36,000
there tends to be

3355
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:36,800
uh

3356
02:20:41,389 --> 02:20:40,240
tic tac shapecraft we had a sighting i

3357
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:41,399
believe it was

3358
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,600
2011 or 12. there was a

3359
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:48,160
young man and his mother were going

3360
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:49,680
across the bridge

3361
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,720
from missouri into illinois and he shot

3362
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:55,439
kind of a burst i had about 12 pictures

3363
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,640
of this and there was this low altitude

3364
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:00,720
tic tac that just zoomed and he happened

3365
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:03,439
to catch it it was a report that ended

3366
02:21:06,389 --> 02:21:04,880
up in the mufon

3367
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:06,399
uh journal

3368
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:10,240
we also i had a report about maybe

3369
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:13,120
a month or so ago from a police officer

3370
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:15,520
that was sitting in the same area

3371
02:21:19,750 --> 02:21:18,000
at um i guess he was doing paperwork or

3372
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:19,760
something he was in a parking lot

3373
02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:22,800
and he described a tic tac craft right

3374
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:26,080
in that area that area has tic tac craft

3375
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:27,359
also

3376
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:28,720
triangle shape

3377
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,560
for i don't know what it is in and

3378
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:32,720
around that area now we do have about 35

3379
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:35,359
miles into illinois is scott air force

3380
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:36,560
base

3381
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:38,880
but i don't believe any of what we have

3382
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:41,680
seen would be something that came from

3383
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:43,359
scott air force base

3384
02:21:48,630 --> 02:21:45,200
i've had several reports of

3385
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:48,640
triangle-shaped craft not huge but

3386
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:51,120
maybe the size you know three-fourths

3387
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:53,280
times the size of a car hovering right

3388
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:54,399
over the river

3389
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:55,920
right there by that bridge by the

3390
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:58,399
jefferson barracks bridge

3391
02:22:02,230 --> 02:21:59,600
then you go

3392
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:02,240
over to the kansas city area

3393
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:06,080
more by where margie k our missouri

3394
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:08,000
mufon assistant state director lives she

3395
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:09,600
lives in independence

3396
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:11,120
and there's something that they've been

3397
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:13,120
calling bob and it's this mysterious

3398
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:15,040
light that appears in the sky this has

3399
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:18,160
been going on i think since about 2011

3400
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:20,240
and in fact 2011

3401
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:22,479
that was the year that we had

3402
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:24,160
the ufo flap

3403
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:27,040
and in that one day i believe it was

3404
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:29,840
in um august i think it was august 3rd

3405
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,479
4th 5th but august 4th mostly we had

3406
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,479
about a hundred sightings right in and

3407
02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:36,640
around the kansas city area of a large

3408
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:38,560
craft one of them was

3409
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:41,520
right over the top of raytown water

3410
02:22:46,550 --> 02:22:43,200
tower

3411
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:46,560
so that area has that light they've had

3412
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:48,560
large craft in that area now we have

3413
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:50,399
whiteman air force base

3414
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:53,040
not too far from there but what these

3415
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:55,520
bob that doesn't there's no explanation

3416
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:58,080
for that they nicknamed the like bob uh

3417
02:23:01,110 --> 02:22:59,520
it's been around for a while the news

3418
02:23:02,469 --> 02:23:01,120
media has been out there several times

3419
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,479
and taped it

3420
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:04,479
and they have no idea what that is it

3421
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:07,439
just appears and then it disappears

3422
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,800
we get um down more south over by

3423
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:12,319
clearwater lake

3424
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:17,040
there's still animal mutilations going

3425
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:19,439
on there there's

3426
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:21,840
a large craft that have been seen there

3427
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:23,920
a lot of strange

3428
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:26,240
unexplained lights and the lights that

3429
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,439
we've been investigating you know i

3430
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:29,359
talked about that

3431
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:31,760
and these aren't some type of a strange

3432
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:34,080
light that's up in the sky that could be

3433
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:36,399
a star this is something that we've seen

3434
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,640
that that travels low it comes through

3435
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:40,319
the trees

3436
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:43,120
right through the middle of woods

3437
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:47,760
and then goes up takes altitude and then

3438
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:51,040
turns on lights that resemble that of a

3439
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:51,920
plane

3440
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:54,640
and take off at a high rate of speed

3441
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:56,240
because a couple of them have left a

3442
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:58,399
contrail

3443
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:59,920
so there's some pretty strange things

3444
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,520
going on in missouri i'm sure there's

3445
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:03,600
strange things that are going on and

3446
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:05,120
everybody states everybody's got

3447
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:06,240
something a little bit different but

3448
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:08,800
ours depends on where you live as to

3449
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:10,800
what's going on and there's a little bit

3450
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,720
of everything in this state i think uh

3451
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,399
there's we're starting now with some

3452
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:15,920
creatures

3453
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:18,720
so uh in the kansas city area

3454
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:20,960
they've seen there's been reports of

3455
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:23,680
what looked like a mothman and a lot of

3456
02:24:27,750 --> 02:24:25,359
reports

3457
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:27,760
and like i said the area that i've been

3458
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:30,000
working on with my team there's a couple

3459
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,640
different reports now of bigfoot

3460
02:24:36,710 --> 02:24:34,399
so i i don't know there's something

3461
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:36,720
going on in this state for whatever

3462
02:24:41,110 --> 02:24:38,080
reason

3463
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:41,120
uh which is interesting i had a case in

3464
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:43,840
hartville missouri this has been a few

3465
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:46,160
years ago and they had

3466
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:49,200
strange lights coming through the one uh

3467
02:24:54,710 --> 02:24:51,760
the the rancher that lived there was

3468
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:54,720
burned across his stomach

3469
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:56,960
and they just announced a couple weeks

3470
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,040
ago that the center

3471
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:01,680
population of the united states is

3472
02:25:06,309 --> 02:25:04,479
hartville missouri

3473
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:06,319
so i thought that was very interesting

3474
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:09,120
that that's a very active area not too

3475
02:25:13,349 --> 02:25:11,200
far from hartville uh

3476
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:13,359
lebanon just across

3477
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:15,840
kind of across the valley they had i

3478
02:25:21,030 --> 02:25:19,520
believe it was 20 some 27 maybe black

3479
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:21,040
angus cows

3480
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:22,880
that were mutilated a few years ago the

3481
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:25,439
rancher had moved his cows from texas to

3482
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:28,960
that area and that that was uh um

3483
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:29,840
on

3484
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:31,439
several tv shows there for a while

3485
02:25:34,550 --> 02:25:32,640
talking about

3486
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:34,560
animal mutilations i don't believe they

3487
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:36,399
have that many

3488
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:38,560
presently i know when we investigated

3489
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:41,280
the ranch in hartville i believe they

3490
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:43,920
said they had had three on their ranch

3491
02:25:49,990 --> 02:25:46,880
are the are they are the sightings uh

3492
02:25:51,750 --> 02:25:50,000
going up in missouri uh you know say

3493
02:25:53,990 --> 02:25:51,760
from last year and the year before is

3494
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:54,000
the trend going up

3495
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:57,200
the trend went up drastically in 2011

3496
02:26:01,910 --> 02:25:59,520
and 12. we kind of tripled the sightings

3497
02:26:04,309 --> 02:26:01,920
that we'd had previous years

3498
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:04,319
and then they they kind of tended to go

3499
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:06,560
down a little bit if you remember in

3500
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:09,439
2011 that was a year that blackbirds

3501
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:11,760
were dropping from the sky right

3502
02:26:18,309 --> 02:26:14,960
remember that we had 50 60 at a time

3503
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:18,319
just blackbirds we had fish in rivers

3504
02:26:22,950 --> 02:26:20,880
that just one species of fish

3505
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,960
were coming to the surface and dying not

3506
02:26:27,590 --> 02:26:25,040
all the fish didn't make any sense at

3507
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:27,600
all we had record snow we also had a

3508
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:30,479
four point something earthquake so

3509
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:33,520
it was a weird couple years 2011 and 12.

3510
02:26:38,469 --> 02:26:35,680
and then it started to taper down that

3511
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:38,479
it tapered down quite a bit uh i believe

3512
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,479
in 2020 because nobody was going outside

3513
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:44,160
it's starting to come back but people

3514
02:26:48,150 --> 02:26:46,800
were so afraid of koben they didn't i

3515
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:48,160
mean they didn't even go outside their

3516
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:50,160
house in their own yard they just pretty

3517
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:52,399
well stayed inside a lot a lot of people

3518
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:55,040
did so we didn't get a lot of sightings

3519
02:26:58,950 --> 02:26:57,120
not that it wasn't happening it's just

3520
02:27:01,590 --> 02:26:58,960
nobody was outside

3521
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:01,600
now uh i i want to stay right here for a

3522
02:27:05,990 --> 02:27:03,280
second the

3523
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:06,000
uh i'm really interested in the plasma

3524
02:27:10,630 --> 02:27:08,560
light ball sphere thing because i see

3525
02:27:12,710 --> 02:27:10,640
this a lot myself personally

3526
02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:12,720
but then there's the other sightings

3527
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:15,680
that i've also had and others have had

3528
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:17,840
where and especially during the day

3529
02:27:21,110 --> 02:27:20,240
where these are not

3530
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:21,120
uh

3531
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:24,000
light

3532
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:29,520
these are physical craft

3533
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:30,560
and

3534
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,319
what what are the reports that are

3535
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:34,560
coming in for you are they

3536
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:36,720
are they physical things that are being

3537
02:27:40,790 --> 02:27:39,920
seen are they more uh are they more

3538
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:40,800
about

3539
02:27:47,110 --> 02:27:44,319
an energy field of some kind

3540
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,120
uh both actually we have the joplin

3541
02:27:52,150 --> 02:27:49,760
spook light that is some type of a ball

3542
02:27:54,309 --> 02:27:52,160
of energy that's been down in the corner

3543
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:54,319
part of the state of missouri kind of

3544
02:27:59,670 --> 02:27:56,960
oklahoma missouri area that's been

3545
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:59,680
around my gosh for years and years and

3546
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:00,960
years

3547
02:28:06,389 --> 02:28:03,840
then we've also uh marley woods i worked

3548
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:06,399
there with ted phillips

3549
02:28:11,670 --> 02:28:09,120
the light that we saw

3550
02:28:13,710 --> 02:28:11,680
i believe when i video taped it it was

3551
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:13,720
maybe the

3552
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:16,560
64th or fifth time that light had

3553
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:18,880
appeared in six generations

3554
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:20,960
so it was some type of a light

3555
02:28:24,070 --> 02:28:23,280
that just we thought it just appeared

3556
02:28:25,429 --> 02:28:24,080
right

3557
02:28:28,230 --> 02:28:25,439
after dusk

3558
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:28,240
and we looked at video later and even

3559
02:28:32,790 --> 02:28:30,000
though we did catch it when it appeared

3560
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:32,800
when it disappeared it kind of sunk down

3561
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:35,920
it lowered down into the woods there was

3562
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:38,000
nothing there we had

3563
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:40,479
ted phillips and tom ferrario were on

3564
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:42,640
the opposite end of where this was we

3565
02:28:46,870 --> 02:28:44,560
could see it from the ranch looking

3566
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:46,880
forward the the people we had stationed

3567
02:28:51,270 --> 02:28:49,520
to either side could not ted and tom

3568
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:51,280
couldn't see it from behind

3569
02:28:55,830 --> 02:28:53,920
so for whatever it was illuminated only

3570
02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:55,840
in the one direction

3571
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:58,080
uh there's but there's also been balls

3572
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:01,840
of light that have um caused damage

3573
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:03,439
they've knocked down

3574
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:06,160
fences in that area there's but there's

3575
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:07,840
been a craft that's landed there too

3576
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:10,560
there was a craft that left a big uh a

3577
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:13,120
big damaged area a circle and the cows

3578
02:29:17,429 --> 02:29:15,680
wouldn't walk across it so that area

3579
02:29:18,870 --> 02:29:17,439
there's also been there was a bigfoot

3580
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:18,880
sighting in the area there was a large

3581
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:21,040
triangle sighting in the area i think

3582
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:23,040
some of them you know it depends

3583
02:29:26,790 --> 02:29:24,880
the balls of light that we're

3584
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,800
researching

3585
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:29,040
we believe some of them are

3586
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:31,120
energy and then we believe some of them

3587
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:35,120
are craft because when we first see them

3588
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:40,070
i don't know they they're just this ball

3589
02:29:43,270 --> 02:29:41,840
they change for whatever reason we

3590
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:43,280
haven't figured that out yet they start

3591
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:45,200
out a ball of light going through the

3592
02:29:49,030 --> 02:29:47,439
woods then when they get up in the sky

3593
02:29:50,309 --> 02:29:49,040
they change form

3594
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:50,319
and then all of a sudden there's

3595
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:53,200
something different and they've got a

3596
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,080
red and a green running light on them

3597
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:58,319
which they didn't have before and it

3598
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:00,240
seems like they're larger in scott in

3599
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:03,439
the sky so i have no i can't

3600
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:04,960
can't wrap my

3601
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:06,720
my mind around

3602
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:08,800
yet or what's going on i mean it kind of

3603
02:30:11,990 --> 02:30:10,080
shocked us when we first started

3604
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,000
videotaping this stuff but there there's

3605
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:14,560
some very interesting things but i guess

3606
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:15,760
maybe to answer your question i'm

3607
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:17,600
babbling here a little bit but i think

3608
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:19,200
there's both

3609
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:21,280
and i don't know if one's related to the

3610
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,520
other or maybe

3611
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:25,439
uh

3612
02:30:30,469 --> 02:30:27,600
what we seem to think in

3613
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:30,479
marley woods was that the way that this

3614
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:32,720
level of light appeared at about the

3615
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:35,600
same time every so often in the same

3616
02:30:38,389 --> 02:30:36,560
place

3617
02:30:40,870 --> 02:30:38,399
it almost seemed like maybe it was there

3618
02:30:43,110 --> 02:30:40,880
to collect data for some reason you know

3619
02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:43,120
if you're going to try and be some kind

3620
02:30:47,429 --> 02:30:45,120
of otherworldly being that wants to

3621
02:30:49,590 --> 02:30:47,439
collect data on an area

3622
02:30:52,230 --> 02:30:49,600
you would make sure that something was

3623
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:52,240
in the same area for whatever time we

3624
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:54,640
never could associate it with

3625
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:57,600
the time of year or

3626
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:00,640
the weather we tried every different

3627
02:31:04,469 --> 02:31:02,479
uh variable

3628
02:31:06,870 --> 02:31:04,479
and it would to us it was random to

3629
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:06,880
whoever was putting this ball of light

3630
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:09,280
out there it was obviously not there was

3631
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:10,880
an agenda behind it because it was in

3632
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:13,520
the same spot but that was just that one

3633
02:31:16,550 --> 02:31:15,120
like there were several other lights in

3634
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:16,560
other areas but then they said they

3635
02:31:20,070 --> 02:31:18,240
pointed out the ranchers did and they

3636
02:31:21,270 --> 02:31:20,080
said yeah there's something that appears

3637
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:21,280
right over there in that area

3638
02:31:24,389 --> 02:31:22,880
periodically

3639
02:31:26,630 --> 02:31:24,399
i happen to witness it a couple

3640
02:31:28,230 --> 02:31:26,640
different times yeah i'm fascinated with

3641
02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:28,240
this i'm totally fascinated let's take

3642
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:29,920
our break right here i'm going to keep

3643
02:31:32,870 --> 02:31:31,840
debbie for overtime we're going into

3644
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:32,880
overtime

3645
02:31:37,510 --> 02:31:35,840
she already said that

3646
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:37,520
she would hang out so we're going to do

3647
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:40,160
that there's so much more to discuss our

3648
02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:42,000
murals jimmy church this is fade to

3649
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black we'll be right back in overtime

3650
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with debbie zigglemeyer right after this

3651
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3652
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3653
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3654
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hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3655
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you are listening to my boy jimmy church

3656
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3657
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3658
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3659
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3660
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3755
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:16,000
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3756
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:18,720
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3757
02:37:22,349 --> 02:37:20,560
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3758
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:22,359
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3759
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:24,800
colonization of earth's

3760
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3761
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3762
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3763
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:32,479
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3764
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:34,720
we get into overtime i like to loosen up

3765
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:35,920
a little bit

3766
02:37:41,190 --> 02:37:36,880
and

3767
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:41,200
here if

3768
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:44,399
why what are your theories

3769
02:37:46,429 --> 02:37:45,760
behind

3770
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:46,439
the

3771
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:48,399
colonization what

3772
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:50,800
why do you think this would would

3773
02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:54,790
um

3774
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:56,080
why i

3775
02:38:01,910 --> 02:37:59,520
you know i believe some

3776
02:38:03,270 --> 02:38:01,920
races of alien beans have already been

3777
02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:03,280
here

3778
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:05,760
and like um

3779
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:08,479
lou elizondo is hinting at

3780
02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:10,000
that they've been here for a while we're

3781
02:38:14,309 --> 02:38:12,160
just our technology is just now picking

3782
02:38:16,469 --> 02:38:14,319
them up

3783
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:16,479
were again maybe a curiosity i don't

3784
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:19,280
know i think a lot of it started

3785
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:21,920
this earth has been visited there's

3786
02:38:28,950 --> 02:38:26,800
documentation at pictoglyphs uh scrolls

3787
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:28,960
passages in the bible and it goes on and

3788
02:38:34,309 --> 02:38:30,960
on

3789
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:34,319
from

3790
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:37,040
captains at sea for a long long time so

3791
02:38:41,830 --> 02:38:39,040
for whatever reason

3792
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:41,840
were being visited i think it escalated

3793
02:38:45,270 --> 02:38:44,160
when we started firing off nuclear

3794
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:45,280
weapons

3795
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:47,359
you know because all of that what people

3796
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:49,920
don't realize is when you fire off a a

3797
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:53,120
nuclear device not only does

3798
02:38:57,030 --> 02:38:55,200
the reaction go up but it also goes back

3799
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:57,040
goes down too

3800
02:39:03,190 --> 02:38:57,920
so

3801
02:39:05,349 --> 02:39:03,200
living in our earth that's affecting

3802
02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:05,359
them as well

3803
02:39:09,910 --> 02:39:08,560
as above and i would think that there

3804
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:09,920
are other beings that are picking up

3805
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:12,000
this radiation we're not just destroying

3806
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:13,680
ourselves we're destroying everything

3807
02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:15,840
around us we're destroying the you know

3808
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:17,200
part of the rest of the universe

3809
02:39:22,070 --> 02:39:19,520
everything travels you know they make

3810
02:39:24,790 --> 02:39:22,080
jokes about people that are picking up

3811
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:24,800
maybe radio signals watching old isle of

3812
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:27,040
leucine movies how about the people or

3813
02:39:30,309 --> 02:39:28,479
beings out there

3814
02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:30,319
that are having a reaction to this

3815
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:33,040
radiation that we were

3816
02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:35,040
firing off and you know in and out of

3817
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:37,600
our atmosphere for so many years so i

3818
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:40,240
think that escalated a lot of it maybe

3819
02:39:44,070 --> 02:39:42,000
that's why we had a lot of sightings

3820
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:44,080
starting in 1947.

3821
02:39:48,389 --> 02:39:46,000
and actually before the first sighting

3822
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:48,399
that that um in missouri that

3823
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:50,800
1941 cape girardeau missouri we had a

3824
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:52,640
sighting yeah let's let's talk about

3825
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:54,560
cape girardeau

3826
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:58,319
another huge case right but that was uh

3827
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:01,439
six years before roswell wasn't it

3828
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,160
it absolutely was that was at the red

3829
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:06,399
star church i believe i think it was

3830
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:07,600
pastor

3831
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:08,800
hoffman

3832
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:11,520
um his daughter came out later talked

3833
02:40:16,550 --> 02:40:12,560
about

3834
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:16,560
how they had encountered a craft

3835
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:18,800
i believe there were you know a couple

3836
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:20,640
beings that were maybe deceased but from

3837
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:22,880
what i understand they shot one there

3838
02:40:26,870 --> 02:40:24,560
was a picture

3839
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:26,880
that was given to the pastor of the

3840
02:40:29,670 --> 02:40:27,920
church

3841
02:40:32,309 --> 02:40:29,680
for safe keeping

3842
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:32,319
uh his daughter had talked about how she

3843
02:40:37,269 --> 02:40:34,399
had seen the picture and it was hidden

3844
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:37,279
in a book and then disappeared

3845
02:40:43,190 --> 02:40:39,760
but that was which is interesting too

3846
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:43,200
that this was 1941 and then they decided

3847
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:45,439
the fbi decided that maybe they should

3848
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:48,960
set up an office to protect

3849
02:40:53,830 --> 02:40:51,680
the mississippi river in case anybody

3850
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:53,840
uh tried to come maybe in a submarine or

3851
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:55,600
something up the river and so they don't

3852
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:56,800
put it in saying louis they put it in

3853
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:58,479
cape girardeau you know

3854
02:41:02,870 --> 02:41:00,080
it was just

3855
02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:02,880
it didn't make any sense at all

3856
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:04,880
but that that was uh you know long

3857
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:08,160
before there i believe that was uh

3858
02:41:13,110 --> 02:41:10,720
ryan wood investigated that

3859
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:13,120
talked about that at one of the mufon

3860
02:41:18,070 --> 02:41:15,680
symposiums and he had spoke with some of

3861
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:18,080
the firemen in the area had pulled

3862
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:20,399
gotten some of the records from that

3863
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:22,000
so they claimed that there was some kind

3864
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:24,960
of a fire the police were out

3865
02:41:30,710 --> 02:41:27,600
there was supposedly a

3866
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:30,720
doom stone for a while

3867
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:32,399
let me ask you a couple of questions one

3868
02:41:37,190 --> 02:41:34,399
you brought up piedmont a few times

3869
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:37,200
tonight we call it cape girardeau but we

3870
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:38,960
might as well call it the piedmont

3871
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:41,040
incident too as well

3872
02:41:44,070 --> 02:41:41,920
and

3873
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:44,080
because it's in that area but but

3874
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:47,680
hoffman uh he was brought out

3875
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:50,000
to give these little alien beings their

3876
02:41:53,670 --> 02:41:52,800
last rights right oh absolutely

3877
02:41:55,269 --> 02:41:53,680
yes

3878
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:55,279
yeah he was and he was brought out to

3879
02:42:01,429 --> 02:41:58,560
give the last rights and then they did

3880
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:01,439
bury them i believe for a while they

3881
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:03,600
were afraid somebody would dig them up

3882
02:42:07,510 --> 02:42:05,760
we were trying to figure out where the

3883
02:42:09,750 --> 02:42:07,520
stone you know they had moved the stone

3884
02:42:11,670 --> 02:42:09,760
whether or not they moved these beings

3885
02:42:13,750 --> 02:42:11,680
or just moved the stone someplace else

3886
02:42:15,269 --> 02:42:13,760
and then the stone just disappeared i

3887
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:15,279
think they said somebody stole it but i

3888
02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:17,120
think they just removed it

3889
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:20,080
but yeah that was a a very big deal in

3890
02:42:23,349 --> 02:42:21,680
1941.

3891
02:42:26,309 --> 02:42:23,359
that happened long before roswell and i

3892
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:26,319
think that set the presidents for how

3893
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:28,319
they were going to cover up roswell

3894
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:31,200
because they had this encounter just

3895
02:42:35,990 --> 02:42:33,200
you know just six years before and then

3896
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:36,000
up uh cape girardeau that's about 90

3897
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:39,439
miles straight down 55 from where i live

3898
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:42,240
piedmont's in a different area it's

3899
02:42:46,070 --> 02:42:44,640
it's not i don't not all that close to

3900
02:42:49,510 --> 02:42:46,080
cape girardeau

3901
02:42:55,030 --> 02:42:52,150
kind of a you know

3902
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:55,040
in a general southern area but not not

3903
02:42:59,590 --> 02:42:57,120
piedmont clearwater lake and all that

3904
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,600
that's that's more um

3905
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:01,520
well i live here and i can my my head's

3906
02:43:06,230 --> 02:43:04,160
going blank but but that's okay i i'm

3907
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:06,240
just looking at the references uh that

3908
02:43:10,389 --> 02:43:08,640
people are posting about that um what

3909
02:43:13,190 --> 02:43:10,399
about uh

3910
02:43:16,469 --> 02:43:13,200
uh operation main brace

3911
02:43:18,950 --> 02:43:16,479
which uh apparently was 1952

3912
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:18,960
uh nato maneuvers in the vicinity of

3913
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:22,720
denmark in norway september 1952

3914
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:29,030
the uh the sightings happened there over

3915
02:43:33,269 --> 02:43:31,840
the water uh several ufo sightings do

3916
02:43:34,870 --> 02:43:33,279
you know anything about that i'm just

3917
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:34,880
curious

3918
02:43:39,429 --> 02:43:38,000
operation main brace probably probably

3919
02:43:41,590 --> 02:43:39,439
you know my doc

3920
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:41,600
like i said the book's pretty thick um

3921
02:43:46,309 --> 02:43:43,359
there was a lot of things going on in

3922
02:43:48,309 --> 02:43:46,319
1952.

3923
02:43:50,150 --> 02:43:48,319
uh i do

3924
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:50,160
remember a lot of sightings but they

3925
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:52,479
were all individual a lot of individual

3926
02:43:56,230 --> 02:43:53,920
sightings from different ships there

3927
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:56,240
were a few of them that were released

3928
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,840
but as some of the ones from what i

3929
02:44:01,750 --> 02:43:59,120
remember

3930
02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:01,760
uh they were seeing things that were

3931
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:05,920
moving along the water and

3932
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:09,040
they well i know one sighting i can't

3933
02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:11,120
remember i don't believe it was in 52

3934
02:44:13,990 --> 02:44:11,840
but

3935
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:14,000
there's been sightings to where they

3936
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:16,960
have followed an unidentified light

3937
02:44:21,030 --> 02:44:19,040
and then it they thought it was a

3938
02:44:23,110 --> 02:44:21,040
submarine and then it takes off up into

3939
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:23,120
the sky i mean there are there are so

3940
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,960
many reports that they all kind of

3941
02:44:29,269 --> 02:44:27,920
jumbled up in my head because there are

3942
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:29,279
just

3943
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:33,760
filing i mean you know documenting these

3944
02:44:37,990 --> 02:44:35,760
and i thought i can't believe that that

3945
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:38,000
many sightings have been seen by

3946
02:44:42,950 --> 02:44:40,240
military it just goes on and on and on

3947
02:44:45,910 --> 02:44:42,960
right well what about the uh

3948
02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:45,920
uh and this uh

3949
02:44:49,510 --> 02:44:47,920
surfaced about a year year and a half

3950
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:49,520
ago

3951
02:44:57,910 --> 02:44:53,680
this chatter in the ufo community about

3952
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:57,920
a triangle ufo photograph the definitive

3953
02:45:00,950 --> 02:44:58,880
one

3954
02:45:04,230 --> 02:45:00,960
had been circulating with the

3955
02:45:08,230 --> 02:45:04,240
intelligence agencies and viewed

3956
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:08,240
uh but i haven't seen it uh i've been

3957
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:11,439
trying to get to a person that has

3958
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:14,160
seen this image

3959
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:16,560
do you think that the senate

3960
02:45:20,309 --> 02:45:18,640
has seen this image of this triangle

3961
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:20,319
coming out of the water

3962
02:45:24,230 --> 02:45:22,000
that was apparently photographed by

3963
02:45:27,269 --> 02:45:24,240
another f-18 pilot

3964
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:27,279
and do you think that it influenced some

3965
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:29,200
of this

3966
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:31,120
senate intelligence community

3967
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:32,800
investigation going into this and

3968
02:45:40,230 --> 02:45:38,309
oh

3969
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:40,240
you know there's a uh

3970
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:41,520
there's a few different things that are

3971
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:43,760
coming in and out of the water if you go

3972
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:45,359
on um

3973
02:45:49,030 --> 02:45:47,520
go into the black vault

3974
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:49,040
um

3975
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:53,030
yeah yeah john green

3976
02:45:59,030 --> 02:45:55,600
several pictures in there of craft that

3977
02:46:00,790 --> 02:45:59,040
are seen by a periscope the uh the the

3978
02:46:01,830 --> 02:46:00,800
periscope from a submarine you're

3979
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:01,840
talking about

3980
02:46:06,710 --> 02:46:03,840
the trapang

3981
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,720
yeah oh absolutely and but the i've

3982
02:46:09,349 --> 02:46:08,240
heard the same thing about the triangle

3983
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:09,359
craft

3984
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:12,080
and i have yet to see a picture of it

3985
02:46:15,590 --> 02:46:14,000
but yeah i did hear about that too

3986
02:46:17,429 --> 02:46:15,600
because i i started doing some research

3987
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:17,439
on that and i i couldn't get a picture i

3988
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:19,279
couldn't get anything

3989
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:20,880
um

3990
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:24,000
that actually proved where when or what

3991
02:46:27,110 --> 02:46:25,760
but it was something seen there there's

3992
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:27,120
a lot of things that are coming in out

3993
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,359
of the water and i think that has

3994
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:32,000
piqued what's going on now why they want

3995
02:46:36,150 --> 02:46:34,800
to have an office there's going to be

3996
02:46:56,469 --> 02:46:36,160
a

3997
02:46:58,870 --> 02:46:56,479
office i know uh

3998
02:47:00,630 --> 02:46:58,880
senator marco rubio has been a part of

3999
02:47:03,110 --> 02:47:00,640
that trying to get a lot of this

4000
02:47:05,429 --> 02:47:03,120
released but i know they are working on

4001
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:05,439
that it was a senator i was that

4002
02:47:09,910 --> 02:47:07,520
congresswoman or senator gillibrand

4003
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:09,920
gillibrand out of new york

4004
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:10,960
yes

4005
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:13,600
was trying to get something uh get this

4006
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:16,319
going from what i heard it had passed

4007
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:18,880
wasn't that yeah it is it

4008
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:21,680
it's part of the budget for 2022 for

4009
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:22,720
sure

4010
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:24,479
there is uh

4011
02:47:27,510 --> 02:47:26,160
i wanted to ask you about this actually

4012
02:47:30,950 --> 02:47:27,520
there is

4013
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:30,960
uh three things that are a part of this

4014
02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:33,359
budget as far as reports go

4015
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:36,960
that are now part of the legislation and

4016
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:40,800
that is a semi-annual public

4017
02:47:44,950 --> 02:47:43,200
report that will be presented to

4018
02:47:47,269 --> 02:47:44,960
congress

4019
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:47,279
semi-annually so that's every six months

4020
02:47:53,110 --> 02:47:50,560
so we'll see the first report in june

4021
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:53,120
and the next one at the end of the year

4022
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:55,520
in december at the close of the fiscal

4023
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:56,399
year

4024
02:48:00,870 --> 02:47:57,840
what do you think

4025
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:00,880
uh will be revealed in the public

4026
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:03,680
portion of this report what are you

4027
02:48:06,870 --> 02:48:05,680
expecting

4028
02:48:08,870 --> 02:48:06,880
nothing

4029
02:48:11,429 --> 02:48:08,880
i mean we were supposed to last summer

4030
02:48:12,550 --> 02:48:11,439
we were supposed to get a report they

4031
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:12,560
were going to come out the government

4032
02:48:17,830 --> 02:48:14,160
was going to come out and they had so

4033
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:17,840
many days according to i wasn't that uh

4034
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:20,319
there was a referendum or something that

4035
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:23,840
was put in along with the stimulus money

4036
02:48:28,550 --> 02:48:25,840
that it was snuck in there and that

4037
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:28,560
there was a there was 180 days they had

4038
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:31,200
to release information and all they did

4039
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:32,880
was release

4040
02:48:37,190 --> 02:48:34,640
uh the fact that they didn't have any

4041
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:37,200
information or they he-hauled around it

4042
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:39,120
i believe it was july of last year that

4043
02:48:44,950 --> 02:48:41,279
we were all excited that we were

4044
02:48:46,630 --> 02:48:44,960
august 25th august 25th of last year

4045
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,640
yeah we were all excited we were gonna

4046
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:48,640
get something and we really didn't get

4047
02:48:53,110 --> 02:48:51,600
anything however from that it piqued the

4048
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:53,120
interest of everybody and i think it

4049
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:55,120
took it to that next level

4050
02:48:59,349 --> 02:48:57,680
and there are people within congress

4051
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:59,359
that were not happy about that there

4052
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:01,120
were people like

4053
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:05,200
senator rubio who had expressed

4054
02:49:09,750 --> 02:49:07,520
his his thoughts about how

4055
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:09,760
things weren't being released like they

4056
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:11,920
should be now i believe they said when

4057
02:49:16,469 --> 02:49:13,840
some of this came out that

4058
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:16,479
they would have access to it the public

4059
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:17,920
would not

4060
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:20,000
they really haven't come out

4061
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:21,040
and

4062
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:24,080
said anything to the effect that

4063
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:26,640
this has all been um

4064
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:28,560
um

4065
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:31,040
that that there is some type of release

4066
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:32,560
that they've admitted

4067
02:49:35,590 --> 02:49:34,479
the cover-up so long that they have

4068
02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:35,600
information

4069
02:49:39,830 --> 02:49:37,840
what they want the senators want to know

4070
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:39,840
is how long has this been going on how

4071
02:49:42,630 --> 02:49:41,200
long has the government known about

4072
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:42,640
what's going on

4073
02:49:45,670 --> 02:49:44,560
and how much is covered up who knows

4074
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:45,680
what

4075
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:47,920
i almost have a feeling that our

4076
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:49,600
immediate government doesn't know as

4077
02:49:54,309 --> 02:49:52,640
much as that secondary hidden worldwide

4078
02:49:55,429 --> 02:49:54,319
government out there that we all know

4079
02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:55,439
exists

4080
02:49:58,389 --> 02:49:56,720
that

4081
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:58,399
they they have more control because i

4082
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:00,319
don't think the presidents get told near

4083
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:06,870
i'm very curious

4084
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:09,439
about the classified portion of that

4085
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:11,920
report what is it

4086
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:14,560
uh that rubio and others on the senate

4087
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:18,880
intelligence committee were exposed to

4088
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:20,720
so much so

4089
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:22,640
that we've got a fresh set of

4090
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:25,040
legislation and numbers in the budget

4091
02:50:30,790 --> 02:50:27,600
and a new ufo uap

4092
02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:30,800
uh task force that has been put together

4093
02:50:35,349 --> 02:50:34,000
and what they have been told to do which

4094
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:35,359
is collect

4095
02:50:38,950 --> 02:50:37,040
all of the information from the

4096
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:38,960
different intelligence communities the

4097
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:41,760
different branches of the military they

4098
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:44,319
are supposed to report these sightings

4099
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:48,000
crash retrievals uh health issues within

4100
02:50:52,389 --> 02:50:49,359
two weeks

4101
02:50:54,150 --> 02:50:52,399
of when these incidents occurred

4102
02:50:55,910 --> 02:50:54,160
and

4103
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:55,920
there was something in that classified

4104
02:51:01,910 --> 02:50:58,720
report that caused this to move forward

4105
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:01,920
debbie and i just wonder what it is

4106
02:51:06,550 --> 02:51:05,040
that rubio saw what is it because you

4107
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:06,560
remember the video

4108
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:07,920
of uh

4109
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:10,720
the uso right supposedly had shown a

4110
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:13,200
craft going into the water off into the

4111
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:15,359
distance now i don't know if that was a

4112
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:17,359
balloon that was deflating i kind of

4113
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,399
think it was but but maybe it wasn't but

4114
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:23,040
i don't think that that is that video

4115
02:51:28,469 --> 02:51:26,319
isn't enough to motivate gillibrand and

4116
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:28,479
rubio and others

4117
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:31,439
for this uh pretty wordy and direct

4118
02:51:35,990 --> 02:51:33,520
legislation to move forward it wasn't

4119
02:51:38,710 --> 02:51:36,000
that video they saw something else they

4120
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:38,720
were shown something else

4121
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:40,160
well i think they were shown some not

4122
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:43,040
only shown something else but

4123
02:51:46,870 --> 02:51:45,680
the problem is the public is going into

4124
02:51:50,309 --> 02:51:46,880
space

4125
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:50,319
nasa has known about all this since near

4126
02:51:53,190 --> 02:51:51,600
the beginning

4127
02:51:56,070 --> 02:51:53,200
when we went to the moon why did we quit

4128
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:56,080
going to the moon i want to know why we

4129
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,920
spent all that money on international

4130
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:59,439
space station and the moment we got it

4131
02:52:03,429 --> 02:52:01,680
done we stopped our shuttle

4132
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:03,439
project so we just we stopped building

4133
02:52:07,269 --> 02:52:05,600
shuttles and we had to catch a ride

4134
02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:07,279
i think there's another agenda i think

4135
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,680
we are we have the technology we've

4136
02:52:13,269 --> 02:52:11,520
still been we've been back to the moon

4137
02:52:15,030 --> 02:52:13,279
we may or may not have already been to

4138
02:52:16,950 --> 02:52:15,040
mars we don't know but there's something

4139
02:52:19,510 --> 02:52:16,960
the public isn't being told

4140
02:52:21,269 --> 02:52:19,520
because you don't spend all that time

4141
02:52:22,870 --> 02:52:21,279
and money and effort and build a space

4142
02:52:24,469 --> 02:52:22,880
station say oh yeah we're going to get

4143
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:24,479
rid of all the shuttles

4144
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:25,840
now we can't get there we're going to

4145
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:28,560
catch a ride and yeah

4146
02:52:33,429 --> 02:52:30,720
the the moon why did we stop going to

4147
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:33,439
the moon what was that the last um moon

4148
02:52:40,230 --> 02:52:37,040
shot was what was that 76 the last 70 74

4149
02:52:41,910 --> 02:52:40,240
yeah 74 yeah but the last time so it

4150
02:52:43,590 --> 02:52:41,920
doesn't it doesn't make any sense we had

4151
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:43,600
all this progress that we just stopped

4152
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:46,319
who or what told us to stop or what did

4153
02:52:51,429 --> 02:52:48,960
we find out things that we shouldn't

4154
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:51,439
and then maybe it stopped being a public

4155
02:52:57,750 --> 02:52:54,000
project it became a you know

4156
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:57,760
a completely secret project

4157
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:00,319
and uh like there's power and and uh

4158
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:01,760
knowledge

4159
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:03,840
and maybe that's why they're not sharing

4160
02:53:08,870 --> 02:53:06,000
it with us but you're right something

4161
02:53:11,870 --> 02:53:08,880
has gone on and we're not being told

4162
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:11,880
well there's the third part of the

4163
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,640
legislation which is

4164
02:53:20,150 --> 02:53:17,040
one report at the end of the year in

4165
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:20,160
december will be presented to the senate

4166
02:53:22,830 --> 02:53:21,840
intelligence committee but that's going

4167
02:53:24,389 --> 02:53:22,840
to be

4168
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:24,399
classified

4169
02:53:28,790 --> 02:53:25,840
and

4170
02:53:30,790 --> 02:53:28,800
uh i'm a little nervous about that

4171
02:53:32,550 --> 02:53:30,800
because i know that the public version

4172
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:32,560
of this is going to be completely

4173
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:34,000
watered down they're not going to show

4174
02:53:38,950 --> 02:53:35,760
all of their cards

4175
02:53:40,870 --> 02:53:38,960
but i'm wondering how far the classified

4176
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:40,880
report is going to go

4177
02:53:44,950 --> 02:53:42,880
and how much information is going to

4178
02:53:46,790 --> 02:53:44,960
come out of these agencies that are

4179
02:53:48,950 --> 02:53:46,800
collecting the information are they

4180
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,960
truly going to share this and get it to

4181
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:50,640
this committee

4182
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:53,120
where they can process the report and

4183
02:53:58,230 --> 02:53:55,200
then present this classified version of

4184
02:54:01,510 --> 02:53:58,240
congress or is the you know the nro and

4185
02:54:03,269 --> 02:54:01,520
the nsa and the cia and the fbi

4186
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:03,279
and the other

4187
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:06,720
14 intelligence agencies are they going

4188
02:54:11,190 --> 02:54:08,960
to share anything at all you know who is

4189
02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:11,200
going to police this distribution of

4190
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:12,880
information

4191
02:54:16,950 --> 02:54:14,479
well it just seems to me that all

4192
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:16,960
they've done is widen

4193
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:17,840
the

4194
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:19,359
uh secrecy

4195
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:21,359
okay so they're gonna share it with with

4196
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:24,160
senators with congress and it's top

4197
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:26,640
secret non-disclosure so what good does

4198
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:29,680
that do us all you've done is given more

4199
02:54:34,469 --> 02:54:32,160
information to more people who can keep

4200
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:34,479
the secret or maybe not maybe somebody

4201
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:36,000
will leak something

4202
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:38,319
and i guess the more people that know

4203
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:40,160
information the better chance you have

4204
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:42,720
of somebody actually leaking it

4205
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:45,359
but that's not going to affect us at all

4206
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:46,800
so you've got all these congressmen and

4207
02:54:49,910 --> 02:54:48,000
senators going to have all this

4208
02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:49,920
information but they can't tell

4209
02:54:54,309 --> 02:54:51,520
somebody just

4210
02:54:56,150 --> 02:54:54,319
you know they're trying to appease us by

4211
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:56,160
saying they're going to open this up and

4212
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:57,760
give this information out but they're

4213
02:55:03,030 --> 02:55:00,640
not it's just a tease

4214
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:03,040
yeah that's right that's right and now

4215
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:05,520
you've been at this for a long time

4216
02:55:10,070 --> 02:55:08,560
and uh investigating and looking into

4217
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:10,080
these reports

4218
02:55:15,910 --> 02:55:13,120
uh i think we all can agree that we're

4219
02:55:18,309 --> 02:55:15,920
closer to some type of disclosure than

4220
02:55:20,870 --> 02:55:18,319
we ever have been in the past

4221
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:20,880
but we've also been through this before

4222
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,640
too as well where we

4223
02:55:26,150 --> 02:55:24,640
we stepped right up to the edge and then

4224
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:26,160
nothing happened

4225
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:28,640
do you think that we will have some type

4226
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:32,960
of disclosure in 2022 for the first time

4227
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:35,600
i think we've already got disclosure uh

4228
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:37,040
we've got

4229
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:39,359
lou elizondo who

4230
02:55:44,950 --> 02:55:42,880
was former cia who has come out he's

4231
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:44,960
allowed to uh release

4232
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:46,800
a certain amount of information but not

4233
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:48,560
everything so i mean we've got somebody

4234
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:50,479
who actually says yeah i was there i was

4235
02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:52,160
working in this department

4236
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:53,920
and then giving us bits and pieces but

4237
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:56,560
it's something the navy releasing those

4238
02:56:01,030 --> 02:55:58,800
videos there's another piece we never

4239
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:01,040
had that before not since the 50s and

4240
02:56:06,230 --> 02:56:03,040
60s everything was hushed up right

4241
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:06,240
around the 70s but before i've got books

4242
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:08,319
in the 50s from the 50s and 60s where

4243
02:56:12,230 --> 02:56:10,240
pilots are openly talking about their

4244
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:12,240
sightings and then now i have two

4245
02:56:15,990 --> 02:56:14,000
witnesses that were

4246
02:56:17,670 --> 02:56:16,000
a commercial airline actually three

4247
02:56:19,510 --> 02:56:17,680
commercial airline pilots that say they

4248
02:56:21,110 --> 02:56:19,520
can't say anything because they'll give

4249
02:56:22,389 --> 02:56:21,120
them a psych test and if they flunk it

4250
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,399
they can't fly

4251
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,720
so i think we're coming back full circle

4252
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:26,720
again and we're starting to

4253
02:56:29,670 --> 02:56:28,800
release things little by little

4254
02:56:31,110 --> 02:56:29,680
but

4255
02:56:32,870 --> 02:56:31,120
the this is the first time i've had the

4256
02:56:35,670 --> 02:56:32,880
nate we've seen the navy actually

4257
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:35,680
released video so that is i think we're

4258
02:56:40,710 --> 02:56:36,640
being

4259
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:40,720
desensitized a little bit because i

4260
02:56:45,349 --> 02:56:43,680
believe it's going to come out

4261
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:45,359
way more they're going oh well that's

4262
02:56:48,950 --> 02:56:47,279
great you know look at these videos so

4263
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:48,960
all the people that

4264
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,800
are really skeptical at least you could

4265
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:52,800
go back and say yeah but the government

4266
02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:54,160
released this this and this they're

4267
02:56:58,309 --> 02:56:55,840
going to have to do it because we've got

4268
02:56:59,190 --> 02:56:58,319
people like elon musk you know going you

4269
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:59,200
got

4270
02:57:02,950 --> 02:57:00,960
forget the sake you had shatner go into

4271
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:02,960
space you know how long is it going to

4272
02:57:07,910 --> 02:57:05,439
be before the public is in space

4273
02:57:09,590 --> 02:57:07,920
um milling around up there maybe build a

4274
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:09,600
hotel whatever they want to do as a

4275
02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:11,600
satellite and they're gonna the public's

4276
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:13,120
gonna start to see what's going on you

4277
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:15,439
can't hide it our technology

4278
02:57:20,309 --> 02:57:17,840
is picking up on all this the cameras

4279
02:57:23,750 --> 02:57:20,319
that the uh my team is using

4280
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:23,760
this is uh night night grade uh

4281
02:57:26,710 --> 02:57:24,640
um

4282
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:26,720
it's a night video

4283
02:57:32,389 --> 02:57:29,439
uh military grade night vision it's not

4284
02:57:34,870 --> 02:57:32,399
even infrared and this is probably 10

4285
02:57:36,950 --> 02:57:34,880
generations back from what they've got

4286
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:36,960
you know i mean they they've got 10

4287
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:39,520
generations of this past what i'm able

4288
02:57:44,550 --> 02:57:42,000
to see and i'm able to see things with

4289
02:57:46,870 --> 02:57:44,560
this camera that you can't see with with

4290
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:46,880
the naked eye

4291
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:48,800
we can see this thing is picking up

4292
02:57:53,670 --> 02:57:51,120
things for miles away

4293
02:57:54,550 --> 02:57:53,680
so they they have to do something they

4294
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:54,560
the

4295
02:58:04,389 --> 02:58:01,040
and whoever is behind that and i believe

4296
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:04,399
there's also another force another group

4297
02:58:09,510 --> 02:58:06,560
of people out there that are controlling

4298
02:58:11,429 --> 02:58:09,520
this maybe above and beyond maybe a

4299
02:58:13,750 --> 02:58:11,439
world government that's controlling this

4300
02:58:15,429 --> 02:58:13,760
above and beyond the individual

4301
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:15,439
governments

4302
02:58:20,230 --> 02:58:17,680
certainly certainly it's open yeah

4303
02:58:21,269 --> 02:58:20,240
certainly uh i agree with that

4304
02:58:22,870 --> 02:58:21,279
and

4305
02:58:25,510 --> 02:58:22,880
you brought up uh

4306
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:25,520
lake bacall earlier and russia

4307
02:58:31,269 --> 02:58:27,120
whatever is going on that we know

4308
02:58:33,910 --> 02:58:31,279
publicly with uh our own navy uh the

4309
02:58:36,150 --> 02:58:33,920
roosevelt and nimitz and those pilots

4310
02:58:38,950 --> 02:58:36,160
that's not a united states thing it's

4311
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:38,960
not a united states phenomenon

4312
02:58:44,389 --> 02:58:41,760
china's has to have had the same type of

4313
02:58:46,630 --> 02:58:44,399
experiences and and russia and other

4314
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:46,640
governments around the world this isn't

4315
02:58:53,030 --> 02:58:50,479
just a a san diego thing it's it can't

4316
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:53,040
be can it it just can't

4317
02:58:56,230 --> 02:58:54,080
well no

4318
02:58:59,910 --> 02:58:56,240
i'm able to get more information from

4319
02:59:02,630 --> 02:58:59,920
the united states because it's you know

4320
02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:02,640
living here you know we i i have access

4321
02:59:06,230 --> 02:59:03,439
to

4322
02:59:07,750 --> 02:59:06,240
reports about the united states uh being

4323
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:07,760
an archivist

4324
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,319
uh just talking to people doing the

4325
02:59:14,710 --> 02:59:12,240
research knowing the areas lived in some

4326
02:59:16,309 --> 02:59:14,720
of the areas visited the areas

4327
02:59:19,269 --> 02:59:16,319
at russia

4328
02:59:21,269 --> 02:59:19,279
a lot of that was released uh with the

4329
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:21,279
fall of the soviet union and went to

4330
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:23,120
russia they a lot of their files came

4331
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:24,880
out and there were some books that were

4332
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,399
written by

4333
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,399
russian ufologists

4334
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:30,560
then as far as puerto rico you know the

4335
02:59:35,030 --> 02:59:32,800
whole caribbean they're fairly open

4336
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:35,040
brazil is fairly open mexico they're

4337
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:37,120
open talking about this a lot of

4338
02:59:41,349 --> 02:59:39,120
countries are but then you get the major

4339
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:41,359
powers and all of a sudden it's hush

4340
02:59:44,550 --> 02:59:42,399
hush

4341
02:59:46,950 --> 02:59:44,560
china i don't know if

4342
02:59:49,110 --> 02:59:46,960
i looked for information from china that

4343
02:59:51,349 --> 02:59:49,120
you know i found where they have

4344
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:51,359
submarine bases and they claim it's a

4345
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:52,640
closed submarine base and they're

4346
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:53,840
building these islands and they're

4347
02:59:58,469 --> 02:59:56,000
trying they're trying to take over

4348
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:58,479
certain amounts of of ocean but you know

4349
03:00:03,590 --> 03:00:01,120
you can't really get a whole lot from

4350
03:00:05,990 --> 03:00:03,600
the chinese and anything that you think

4351
03:00:07,030 --> 03:00:06,000
you may have is misinformation to begin

4352
03:00:09,429 --> 03:00:07,040
with

4353
03:00:11,269 --> 03:00:09,439
so i wouldn't trust anything that came

4354
03:00:13,110 --> 03:00:11,279
out of china

4355
03:00:14,870 --> 03:00:13,120
uh russia only because like i said it's

4356
03:00:16,550 --> 03:00:14,880
a lot of those a lot of that information

4357
03:00:18,469 --> 03:00:16,560
was released and not meant to be

4358
03:00:20,550 --> 03:00:18,479
released it was just you know with the

4359
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:20,560
fall of the soviet union it was just

4360
03:00:25,349 --> 03:00:22,240
the files were

4361
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:25,359
taken over by people and uh that weren't

4362
03:00:28,469 --> 03:00:27,359
meant to see them

4363
03:00:29,830 --> 03:00:28,479
um

4364
03:00:31,510 --> 03:00:29,840
but there i mean there's just so much

4365
03:00:33,110 --> 03:00:31,520
going on you know i can't believe that

4366
03:00:34,870 --> 03:00:33,120
that i did you know i went while on the

4367
03:00:36,870 --> 03:00:34,880
break i was looking at the turkish video

4368
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:36,880
i do remember that now

4369
03:00:40,950 --> 03:00:38,880
and uh that was something i was more

4370
03:00:42,790 --> 03:00:40,960
looking more water but now you're right

4371
03:00:45,190 --> 03:00:42,800
that was hovering over water

4372
03:00:47,269 --> 03:00:45,200
and there's there's so much out there

4373
03:00:49,750 --> 03:00:47,279
going on that a person could write a

4374
03:00:51,429 --> 03:00:49,760
second book easily but at some point you

4375
03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:51,439
just got to say wow

4376
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:52,800
you know

4377
03:00:56,870 --> 03:00:54,800
well you complained

4378
03:00:58,630 --> 03:00:56,880
that's right you compiled a lot of

4379
03:01:01,190 --> 03:00:58,640
information in this book

4380
03:01:03,030 --> 03:01:01,200
and it's available on amazon we've got

4381
03:01:05,910 --> 03:01:03,040
the links up now

4382
03:01:07,910 --> 03:01:05,920
and you can find it over on annex media

4383
03:01:09,750 --> 03:01:07,920
too as well debbie what a great

4384
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:09,760
conversation i can't wait to have you

4385
03:01:13,830 --> 03:01:12,000
back on the show and i want you to be

4386
03:01:15,670 --> 03:01:13,840
safe out there where can everybody get a

4387
03:01:19,110 --> 03:01:15,680
hold of you

4388
03:01:20,469 --> 03:01:19,120
um my uh email is

4389
03:01:24,070 --> 03:01:20,479
on diver

4390
03:01:27,429 --> 03:01:24,080
gmail.com um also um

4391
03:01:28,389 --> 03:01:27,439
i've got a website uh you can just type

4392
03:01:31,830 --> 03:01:28,399
in debt

4393
03:01:34,550 --> 03:01:31,840
let's see it's a debbiediver.com

4394
03:01:35,910 --> 03:01:34,560
also if you have a report file a report

4395
03:01:37,190 --> 03:01:35,920
with mufon there's a lot of people that

4396
03:01:39,269 --> 03:01:37,200
see things and they don't file the

4397
03:01:41,110 --> 03:01:39,279
report it's very very important to file

4398
03:01:43,510 --> 03:01:41,120
your report with mufon because we use

4399
03:01:45,030 --> 03:01:43,520
that information we correlate cases if

4400
03:01:46,790 --> 03:01:45,040
we don't know and there could be ten

4401
03:01:49,110 --> 03:01:46,800
sightings in one area and if only one

4402
03:01:51,830 --> 03:01:49,120
person reports that we have no idea the

4403
03:01:53,990 --> 03:01:51,840
vastness we're missing information it's

4404
03:01:55,750 --> 03:01:54,000
all a piece of the puzzle and i try and

4405
03:01:57,590 --> 03:01:55,760
explain that to everybody that

4406
03:01:59,110 --> 03:01:57,600
everything out there the reason that we

4407
03:02:01,429 --> 03:01:59,120
don't

4408
03:02:03,030 --> 03:02:01,439
have an answer is because it's a big

4409
03:02:04,389 --> 03:02:03,040
giant puzzle and we're just taking

4410
03:02:06,389 --> 03:02:04,399
little bitty pieces here and there and

4411
03:02:08,309 --> 03:02:06,399
putting it in at every single reports

4412
03:02:12,230 --> 03:02:08,319
another piece of that puzzle so very

4413
03:02:14,309 --> 03:02:12,240
important um also uh missourimufan.org

4414
03:02:16,389 --> 03:02:14,319
and if you can't find me through there

4415
03:02:22,389 --> 03:02:16,399
um

4416
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mufon website there you go thank you so

4417
03:02:27,269 --> 03:02:25,040
much debbie be safe out there

4418
03:02:29,269 --> 03:02:27,279
debbie siegelmar yeah what a great

4419
03:02:31,830 --> 03:02:29,279
conversation tonight and the links for

4420
03:02:32,870 --> 03:02:31,840
debbie oh thank you

4421
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the links are right there at

4422
03:02:39,670 --> 03:02:37,990
what a great show tonight what a

4423
03:02:41,429 --> 03:02:39,680
fantastic show i want to remind

4424
03:02:43,510 --> 03:02:41,439
everybody what's going on tomorrow night

4425
03:02:45,590 --> 03:02:43,520
micah hanks is here

4426
03:02:48,870 --> 03:02:45,600
we're going to talk about chris mellon's

4427
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new article that is just posted over at

4428
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the debrief

4429
03:02:53,910 --> 03:02:52,000
fade to black is produced by hilton j

4430
03:02:56,870 --> 03:02:53,920
palmer renee dennis and kevin announces

4431
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our steve harder gene vitoa mark d kobar

4432
03:03:01,870 --> 03:02:58,960
webmasters drew the geek music doug

4433
03:03:03,750 --> 03:03:01,880
aldrich intro space boy

4434
03:03:05,750 --> 03:03:03,760
spaceboymusic.com paid to black is

4435
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produced by kjcr for the game changer

4436
03:03:09,269 --> 03:03:06,800
network

4437
03:03:10,870 --> 03:03:09,279
this broadcast owned a copyrighted 2022

4438
03:03:13,349 --> 03:03:10,880
by fade to black and the game changer

4439
03:03:15,030 --> 03:03:13,359
network inc it cannot be rebroadcast

4440
03:03:16,950 --> 03:03:15,040
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

4441
03:03:18,309 --> 03:03:16,960
the known universe without written

4442
03:03:19,910 --> 03:03:18,319
permission from fade to block of the

4443
03:03:22,150 --> 03:03:19,920
game changer network i'm your host jimmy

4444
03:03:25,030 --> 03:03:22,160
church until tomorrow night with micah

4445
03:03:27,980 --> 03:03:25,040
hanks i want everybody to be safe

4446
03:03:30,580 --> 03:03:27,990
it's time to fade to black

4447
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[Applause]

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[Music]